ASA training dept. rumor

[princeton]

Again, since ASA is 1/2 part of Skywest, Inc.....and Skywest Inc bought XJT, it is safe to draw the logical parallel and say "we" when inferring the buying of XJT. Man, you guys are so damm touchy about that. Semantics.......

It's not semantics, we've heard "ASA bought XJT so you'll do what we want" so often that as soon as anyone says "we bought you" we assume that is what's coming.

Skywest Inc. bought ASA, they also bought XJT so we're in the same boat. Why cause division where none is needed? It's the two of us (ASA+XJT) against THEM (Inc.) in the contract negotiation.

 

[dojetdriver]

Ah yes, "Acquired, not hired" - this time on the regional level.

Pilots can be so stupid sometimes...

Yep, sad and pathetic. Whether it's DALqeda vs. NRDS, SW vs. the Trannies, or the Momo empire vs. Another Sh1tty Airline/ExpressMess.

 

[Nevets]

fact is your facts are wrong! They bought us in 2008.

I don't think so. Can you provide a reference? Also, can you answer the five other questions I posed to you?

Everything must be negotiated, and it must be done on agreeable terms, or done through arbitration. Frankly, I think arbitration is where this is headed. Management knows this, and that is why they are dragging their feet. They also know that the industry average will be used to formulate our new merged pay scales if this happens, and we are already leading the pack in many regards.

Well, good thing the transition and process agreement doesn't allow the contract negotiations to go to arbitration. I hear ASA people say this all the time and can't understand why they keep saying this. The only thing I can guess is that they heard it before from their MEC or management as a scare tactic.

The only way we will make it through this alright is to work togeather.......for a REASONABLE contract that pays us, and still (brace for it)......allows our combined company to actually make a profit. That's why it exists- isn't a job charity.

Let management do their job. Let's not do it for them by guessing on what they might think its reasonable. That is NOT the way you would negotiate for a car or house so it shouldn't be how you negotiate for your compensation, work rules, and benefits. This is business and they know that. They will take advantage of our reasonableness if they can because they should. Like you said, its not a charity and they wont give us more than what we ask for if we don't ask for it.

This is thee biggest culture difference between our MECs and pilots.

 

[BigPappa]

I don't think so. Can you provide a reference? Also, can you answer the five other questions I posed to you?



Well, good thing the transition and process agreement doesn't allow the contract negotiations to go to arbitration. I hear ASA people say this all the time and can't understand why they keep saying this. The only thing I can guess is that they heard it before from their MEC or management as a scare tactic.



Let management do their job. Let's not do it for them by guessing on what they might think its reasonable. That is NOT the way you would negotiate for a car or house so it shouldn't be how you negotiate for your compensation, work rules, and benefits. This is business and they know that. They will take advantage of our reasonableness if they can because they should. Like you said, its not a charity and they wont give us more than what we ask for if we don't ask for it.

This is thee biggest culture difference between our MECs and pilots.

I stand corrected, 2005 it is. Time seems to fly. As far as the other questions: Express could have gone on strike if they wanted to.

 

[Nevets]

As far as the other questions: Express could have gone on strike if they wanted to.

This is not a serious statement is it?

 

[dojetdriver]

Express could have gone on strike if they wanted to.

This is not a serious statement is it?

Gotta hand it to BigPappa for making me laugh multiple times in this thread.

 

[g-code]

Can't we all just get along? Seriously, who cares who bought who? Lets just try to make this place a good and successful place to be.

 

[BigPappa]

This is not a serious statement is it?

Serious? How serious can you be on this board? Anyways, welcome aboard and have a cold one! I voted for SkyConnection. In fact that is all we do anyway! Best fit for a name in my opinion. We don't work for NASA to be Endeavor. The other two names will only devide us more! SKyConnection it is for me.

 

[777forever]

I voted for Sky Connection too

 

[Freebrd]

I voted for Sky Connection too

what a tool

 

[BOX OFFICE]

That is NOT the way you would negotiate for a car or house so it shouldn't be how you negotiate for your compensation, work rules, and benefits.

Except that you don't have to work at the car dealership or bank and depend on them to feed your family after you rape them. This is a stupid comparison.

 

[JumpersAway]

Except that you don't have to work at the car dealership or bank and depend on them to feed your family after you rape them. This is a stupid comparison.

Whoa there BOX, let's not let sense get in the way of a good tirade!

 

[Nevets]

Except that you don't have to work at the car dealership or bank and depend on them to feed your family after you rape them. This is a stupid comparison.

Not just for you Mrs Cockpit, but the point is that it's the dealerships, banks, company's to decide what is acceptable to them. Because like I already said, these being businesses, they will NOT give you ANYTHING unless you negotiate for it. If you pay MRSP on a new vehicle or asking price on a home, they will NOT tell you that you are settling for a good deal for THEM. And they shouldn't! So I say again, this is NOT the way to negotiate.

Do you guys/gal get it now or do I need to draw pretty pictures?

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Not just for you Mrs Cockpit, but the point is that it's the dealerships, banks, company's to decide what is acceptable to them. Because like I already said, these being businesses, they will NOT give you ANYTHING unless you negotiate for it. If you pay MRSP on a new vehicle or asking price on a home, they will NOT tell you that you are settling for a good deal for THEM. And they shouldn't! So I say again, this is NOT the way to negotiate.

Do you guys/gal get it now or do I need to draw pretty pictures?

That made absolutely no sense. You're talking about two different kinds of negotiations. Take a business class sometime Mr. Know It All.

 

[Nevets]

That made absolutely no sense. You're talking about two different kinds of negotiations. Take a business class sometime Mr. Know It All.

Business class? Maybe a negotiations class. You don't go into negotiations by giving away leverage or giving it to the other side. These management people are not all stupid. There is a target zone in which you aim for. It doesn't make any sense to aim below it. How much easier can I spell it out?

I may be wrong but what makes me a know it all and not you? Just because we disagree? Now, THAT doesn't make any sense!