ASA Strike Vote Results Here!!!!

[sweptback]

They sound like negotiations to me. However I appreciate your answers. Now I have another question. Everyone says that it is the company's turn to move. However when I asked one of our P2P people about our high 50 seat rates we are asking for he said, "that is our opening position and that is why it is still so high". The company has moved on the rates, so if we are still on our opening rates, and the company has moved, isn't it our turn to move?

You are wrong. Negotiations entail passing papers between the parties and the agreed upon terms have weight. This is just a glorified brainstorming session. There was no mediator present and nothing was TA'd or agreed to. It was more of a philosophical discussion.

Our "high" 50 seat rates are not that high compared to the rest of the industry. Due to our stagnant contract now most 50 seat operators have higher pay than us.

The ball is in the company's court because the last time we had mediated negotiations, ALPA presented the last proposal. The company now must respond to the proposal that we passed to them. If we were to amend our proposal we would be in effect negotiating against ourselves.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What happened to all the talk about 95% or more that the alpaites kept raving about? Looks to me the vote turned out to be a failure.

Not sure why you are addressing this to me, but I never claimed a 95% pass rate. However, the pilot support has been thrown behind the Negotiating Committee, should they deem a strike necessary. Hopefully it won't come to that though. I'd hate to see you have to make the choice of whether to cross or not.

 

[ASADriver]

You are wrong. Negotiations entail passing papers between the parties and the agreed upon terms have weight. This is just a glorified brainstorming session. There was no mediator present and nothing was TA'd or agreed to. It was more of a philosophical discussion.

Our "high" 50 seat rates are not that high compared to the rest of the industry. Due to our stagnant contract now most 50 seat operators have higher pay than us.

The ball is in the company's court because the last time we had mediated negotiations, ALPA presented the last proposal. The company now must respond to the proposal that we passed to them. If we were to amend our proposal we would be in effect negotiating against ourselves.

Suppostions/Negotiations, I don't care what you want to call, just get the dam!ed thing done. Are you saying our 50 seat rates that we are asking for are realistic? They higher than most 70 seat rates. Why did a P2P tell me our 50 seat rates were our opening position? How do our current proposed rates compare to what our opening rates were?

 

["GO AROUND"]

Sounds like negotiations to me. You said:

Yes and for the last 2 weeks they have been metting with the company and talking supposals in order to get this done.

First, aren't you the one who was correcting spelling on another thread? It is meeting, not metting.

Second, why can't we say we are negotiating? What the hell is the difference between "supposals" and "proposals". I'm tired of the BS.

Wasn't talking about spelling in the other thread was I? I was talking about GRAMMAR. People that say b*tching is unprofessional and yet they don't know the difference between there and their and you're and your or how to use them in a sentence.

I also said that I was far from perfect and am not immune from mistyping.

You wanna argue about calling it negotiating or not? Fine, they are negotiating. Happy now?

 

[Tomct]

Wasn't talking about spelling in the other thread was I? I was talking about GRAMMAR. People that say b*tching is unprofessional and yet they don't know the difference between there and their and you're and your or how to use them in a sentence.

I also said that I was far from perfect and am not immune from mistyping.

You wanna argue about calling it negotiating or not? Fine, they are negotiating. Happy now?

Go Around, don't worry about justifying yourself to Driver. He is just bored of sitting in his office and is just trying to stir up some SH!T. When we get our NEW contract, he will be one of the first complaining about something...I'm Sure!!

 

[ASADriver]

Wasn't talking about spelling in the other thread was I? I was talking about GRAMMAR. People that say b*tching is unprofessional and yet they don't know the difference between there and their and you're and your or how to use them in a sentence.

I also said that I was far from perfect and am not immune from mistyping.

You wanna argue about calling it negotiating or not? Fine, they are negotiating. Happy now?

Talk about a cop out. Spelling and Grammar are important, but everyone makes mistakes. You think maybe people might mistype the proper use of "there" and "their" and "they're". I know the difference and I have mistyped those words. You have to admit that some of the diehard shut the place down types on here are unprofessional. It's not THEIR grammar, or spelling that makes them unprofessional, it's THEIR comments.

 

[Tomct]

Talk about a cop out. Spelling and Grammar are important, but everyone makes mistakes. You think maybe people might mistype the proper use of "there" and "their" and "they're". I know the difference and I have mistyped those words. You have to admit that some of the diehard shut the place down types on here are unprofessional. It's not THEIR grammar, or spelling that makes them unprofessional, it's THEIR comments.

Okay, so NOW you are saying that "the Die Hards" are a Bad thing!! I believe that you will be happy for those of us...DIE HARDS when we have a NEW CONTRACT!! Only time will tell and mgmnt BETTER get THEIR SH!T together SOON!!! You HEAR that JA?

 

[JoeMerchant]

OK, now what?

The strike results are in. Far worse than the '97 results. Almost 25% either didn't vote, or voted no. We remain parked, and ALPA says the next move must be made by management.

What happens if management doesn't make another move and simply starts transferring assets to SKYW? What does ALPA do? What is ALPA's next move if we remain parked?

 

[jehtplane]

OK, now what?

The strike results are in. Far worse than the '97 results. Almost 25% either didn't vote, or voted no. We remain parked, and ALPA says the next move must be made by management.

What happens if management doesn't make another move and simply starts transferring assets to SKYW? What does ALPA do? What is ALPA's next move if we remain parked?

Far worse? Are you management now, oh wait your chick tried that and It didn't work out so well, 25%, thought it was more like 15%, and even that number is skewed, want proof, I recieved a strike ballot and I no longer work for ASA. So I guess i am in that 15%. It was 98% last time, I was there, with a little over 700 pilots, now it is 93% with double the pilot group, I would say that is pretty good, I know you are gonna turn this into ALPA bashing, CAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO, WHY DON'T YOU EXPEND SOME ENERGY IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE CURRENT PROBLEMS, OH WAIT YOU PUNKED OUT AND VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT ALPA. Unite and Fight. Get what you guys deserve. Don't be a punk bitch

 

[JoeMerchant]

Far worse? Are you management now, oh wait your chick tried that and It didn't work out so well, 25%, thought it was more like 15%, and even that number is skewed, want proof, I recieved a strike ballot and I no longer work for ASA. So I guess i am in that 15%. It was 98% last time, I was there, with a little over 700 pilots, now it is 93% with double the pilot group, I would say that is pretty good, I know you are gonna turn this into ALPA bashing, CAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO, WHY DON'T YOU EXPEND SOME ENERGY IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE CURRENT PROBLEMS, OH WAIT YOU PUNKED OUT AND VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT ALPA. Unite and Fight. Get what you guys deserve. Don't be a punk bitch

Unite and Fight? OK, maybe if ALPA decides it wants to unite, that might work. However in case you haven't noticed, ALPA has no interest in uniting groups that compete under each brand. If ALPA wants to come up with a unified "brand scope" or "inclusive scope", then I will fight. Without that, it is a lost cause.

Why are you still worried about this? You have moved on to "greener pastures".

 

[jehtplane]

Unite and Fight? OK, maybe if ALPA decides it wants to unite, that might work. However in case you haven't noticed, ALPA has no interest in uniting groups that compete under each brand. If ALPA wants to come up with a unified "brand scope" or "inclusive scope", then I will fight. Without that, it is a lost cause.

Why are you still worried about this? You have moved on to "greener pastures".

I rest my case

Several reasons.........

 

[JoeMerchant]

I rest my case

So does ALPA. You can't have collective bargaining without the "collective" part. I don't understand why that is so hard for some of you to understand....

 

[jehtplane]

So does ALPA. You can't have collective bargaining without the "collective" part. I don't understand why that is so hard for some of you to understand....

OK, where does that get you right now? How are you helping get the ASA PILOTS get a fair contract? Are you gonna change ALPA's thinking right now? Do you think you are helping yourself get a fair contract right now?You may not care, but all that matters is that Almost 93% of you did!!!!!!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

OK, where does that get you right now? How are you helping get the ASA PILOTS get a fair contract? Are you gonna change ALPA's thinking right now? Do you think you are helping yourself get a fair contract right now?You may not care, but all that matters is that Almost 93% of you did!!!!!!!!

There is a difference between a "fair contract" and an "industry leading contract". Without a solution to the whole scope/portfolio/fee-for-departure bidding war, I don't believe it is smart to have an industry leading contract. Simply put, an industry leading contract in this environment will only guarantee that you will lose flying to your fellow "brothers and sisters". I believe we should worry about the environment we operate in, rather than to just ignore it and pretend it doesn't matter.

Where does an industry leading contract get you if you end up going down the road of ACA, ALG, PDT, CCAir, CMR, or Mesaba?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I feel sorry for you John. If it wasn't for FlightInfo, you would have NO audience.

Kind of sad, truth be told.

Don Quioxte of the airline industry.

 

[JoeMerchant]

I feel sorry for you John. If it wasn't for FlightInfo, you would have NO audience.

Kind of sad, truth be told.

Don Quioxte of the airline industry.

No need to feel sorry for me Pogue. Continue waving that ALPA flag, hopefully you are right and I am wrong.

I predict one of two outcomes to this "battle".

1. We settle for something far short of what we are shooting for.

or

2. We continue to hold out for an industry leading contract and our flying is shifted to SKYW.

Either way, we lose.

Kind of sad, truth be told....... but don't tell the truth around here, it isn't popular.....

 

[atlcrjdriver]

The only way a meaningful contract will ever be achieved is if SKW joins ALPA and we negotiate as one collective unit. Until then SKW, Inc. will be able to play us against each other every day of the week.

Go Around, when did it become professional to b*tch? B*tching makes our pilot group look like amateurs and solves nothing. If you want to b*tch about something, go cry into a pillow or better yet, get laid. With all the b*itching you do on this board, sounds like it’s been awhile.

I hope this post was grammatically correct for you and if not, BITE ME

 

[Tomct]

Far worse? Are you management now, oh wait your chick tried that and It didn't work out so well, 25%, thought it was more like 15%, and even that number is skewed, want proof, I recieved a strike ballot and I no longer work for ASA. So I guess i am in that 15%. It was 98% last time, I was there, with a little over 700 pilots, now it is 93% with double the pilot group, I would say that is pretty good, I know you are gonna turn this into ALPA bashing, CAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO, WHY DON'T YOU EXPEND SOME ENERGY IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE CURRENT PROBLEMS, OH WAIT YOU PUNKED OUT AND VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT ALPA. Unite and Fight. Get what you guys deserve. Don't be a punk bitch

Joe trying to spin a GOOD THING into ALPA BASHING!! We certainly appreciate your support Jehtplane...Thanks!

 

[Tomct]

The only way a meaningful contract will ever be achieved is if SKW joins ALPA and we negotiate as one collective unit. Until then SKW, Inc. will be able to play us against each other every day of the week.

Go Around, when did it become professional to b*tch? B*tching makes our pilot group look like amateurs and solves nothing. If you want to b*tch about something, go cry into a pillow or better yet, get laid. With all the b*itching you do on this board, sounds like it’s been awhile.

I hope this post was grammatically correct for you and if not, BITE ME

Well guess what Jack@ss, the Skywst pilots are about to be told that they make too much by JA. Now if THAT does not make them vote in a UNION, then NOTHING will! I for one, love how the vote turned out and according to our MEC man in SLC, after the vote, the company came to the union "Supposals" (spelling) and said that they NEED to get this thing DONE!! I believe that it will serve the purpose that we wanted all along and that things will begin to pick up! Only time will tell! As far as the B!tching is concerned...atleast on here people listen and are able to VENT. Lord knows that our mgmnt team IS NOT LISTENING! They just keep looking through those "Rose Colored" glasses and thinking everything is just "Peachie!"
We'll see just how PEACHIE things are in the next few sessions!!

 

[atrdriver]

Where does an industry leading contract get you if you end up going down the road of ACA, ALG, PDT, CCAir, CMR, or Mesaba?

And what good does a crappy contract do if the same thing happens?

 

[ASADFW7]

I can see the frustration, but the attacks on differences of opinion need to be brought back into the realm of aviation related discussion. I am no moderator however if I were I would suggest you ignore those who are deliberately trying to cause discord, and debate the others.

In other news ASA called me this week to discuss a conflict with my vacation and recurrent ground school for next month. It was with great pleasure that I told them, it won't matter I will be no longer have to worry that you are going to take my vacation away, I will be sitting in a ground school some place else. For many that is the best solution with a regional, keep it clean and move on.

 

[Palerider957]

I can see the frustration, but the attacks on differences of opinion need to be brought back into the realm of aviation related discussion. I am no moderator however if I were I would suggest you ignore those who are deliberately trying to cause discord, and debate the others.

In other news ASA called me this week to discuss a conflict with my vacation and recurrent ground school for next month. It was with great pleasure that I told them, it won't matter I will be no longer have to worry that you are going to take my vacation away, I will be sitting in a ground school some place else. For many that is the best solution with a regional, keep it clean and move on.

Well said. Anyone who thinks they can build a solid future at ASA is really putting their career at risk. I left ASA almost a year ago and have never looked back.

My advice, for what it's worth, would be to leave this cracker box airline and leave this industry to the Mesa children. Being able to fly an airplane is NOT worth this level of frustration and uncertainty. Once this negotiation is finally over, it will only conclude the first act. The transfer of flying, dangling of more airplanes, threatening of less routes/flying/airplanes will have only begun.

A former member of management once told me, ASA management will NEVER agree to a contract that they can't readily violate. This is noteworthy.

For personal reasons I would love to see a strike at ASA, if for no other reason to punish ASA management for their many, many, many years of abusing employees, lying and cheating. If Delta went down the tubes, so much the better. Let Air Tran reign supreme at ATL.

I really wish ASA pilots luck, unfortunately I think you'll need it.

 

["GO AROUND"]

The only way a meaningful contract will ever be achieved is if SKW joins ALPA and we negotiate as one collective unit. Until then SKW, Inc. will be able to play us against each other every day of the week.

Go Around, when did it become professional to b*tch? B*tching makes our pilot group look like amateurs and solves nothing. If you want to b*tch about something, go cry into a pillow or better yet, get laid. With all the b*itching you do on this board, sounds like it’s been awhile.

I hope this post was grammatically correct for you and if not, BITE ME

Hey pot, meet kettle. You B*tch on here just as much as everyone else. It just happens to be about the other people b*tching or the opposite position. What a F'in hypocrit!!!!

If you could pull your head out of your A$$ far enough to see that you look like a tool when you obviously don't know the difference between "there and their" or "hear and here". So what your saying is, it was a mis type? Your fingers have a mind of their own? They need one cause your pea brain obviously can't keep up.

You can't dispute how stupid it looks when you confuse words like that so you get personal. My wife thinks you're a schmuck as well.

 

[porra]

Good luck to all ASA pilots and stay UNITED.
Its time we start telling management to go take a hike...

 

[atlcrjdriver]

TCat, from your reply it seems that you agree that if SKW votes in ALPA that we will have a much better bargaining position with SKW, Inc. Until then JA will continue to play us against each other.

GA, if I offended Mrs. GA I apologize as that was not my intent. However, when you attack someone for something as petty as “there” vs. “their” you can expect retribution. I do not b*tch on this or any other forum. I state my opinion and leave it at that. Some people lack the ability to make a rebuttal w/o adding insults which is sad and shows lack of intellect. What happens on the line is forgotten by the time I hit the hwy home. I don’t’ hold it in to write about on flightinfo.com. If you want to be a grammar/spelling teacher fine, but this is not the place for it. With the amount of errors you would find, you may as well be on fltinfo’s payroll.

 

["GO AROUND"]

TCat, from your reply it seems that you agree that if SKW votes in ALPA that we will have a much better bargaining position with SKW, Inc. Until then JA will continue to play us against each other.

GA, if I offended Mrs. GA I apologize as that was not my intent. However, when you attack someone for something as petty as “there” vs. “their” you can expect retribution. I do not b*tch on this or any other forum. I state my opinion and leave it at that. Some people lack the ability to make a rebuttal w/o adding insults which is sad and shows lack of intellect. What happens on the line is forgotten by the time I hit the hwy home. I don’t’ hold it in to write about on flightinfo.com. If you want to be a grammar/spelling teacher fine, but this is not the place for it. With the amount of errors you would find, you may as well be on fltinfo’s payroll.

I expected retribution, that's why I said to Bash away after the post.

No harm no foul, I don't take anything personal on here. It's kind of cathartic to release all the BS and just B*tch on here.

 

[ASARJMan]

What happened to all the talk about 95% or more that the alpaites kept raving about? Looks to me the vote turned out to be a failure.

Well loser, we only needed 50.1% to give the MEC the power to call a strike. So now they (the MEC) have that option in the future. So, it's 92%. Still plenty desk boy. You better start looking for another job desk boy!

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASARJMan]

OK, now what?The strike results are in. Far worse than the '97 results. Almost 25% either didn't vote, or voted no. We remain parked, and ALPA says the next move must be made by management.
What happens if management doesn't make another move and simply starts transferring assets to SKYW? What does ALPA do? What is ALPA's next move if we remain parked?

What happens? We walk. Then you and your older gf can retire to all your real estate holdings, or just go sailing on your boat joey. Joey "the sky is falling" Merchant. What a traitor you turned out to be.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[ASARJMan]

OH WAIT YOU PUNKED OUT AND VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT ALPA.

BINGO! Give that man a prize! Joey likes to think of himself as a crusader, a martyr. That's why he won't resign his LEC 112 post. He's wants to be fired so, in his and the older gf mind's, he's a martyr. Yes, a good reason to vote NO just because BA put his older gf down in front of everyone at an MEC meeting awhile back. Dickey Opposite=Joey Merchant. I can't wait til this contract is settled and he starts another line of spin, even as he accepts the better QOL and raise.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

BINGO! Give that man a prize! Joey likes to think of himself as a crusader, a martyr. That's why he won't resign his LEC 112 post. He's wants to be fired so, in his and the older gf mind's, he's a martyr. Yes, a good reason to vote NO just because BA put his older gf down in front of everyone at an MEC meeting awhile back. Dickey Opposite=Joey Merchant. I can't wait til this contract is settled and he starts another line of spin, even as he accepts the better QOL and raise.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

Don't be so hard on old Johnny B! He still thinks his rjdc crusade has a chance! He's so pathetic. Imagine being in his shoes where his popularity is so bad! He has to keep up his "anti alpa" crusade because without it, there would be no attention. Remember negative attention is still attention!