ASA Strike Vote Results Here!!!!

[Muff-N-Man]

Both sides will continue to look unrealistic until they move closer to each other. Look at both sides now and find a median - 5 to 6% increase; that seems more than reasonable to me. The MEC's current proposal doesn't even match Comair's current rates. Any less than that is more than generous (and competative) from the union.

 

[Sinca3]

If that is true, then why are the ALPA updates saying that these aren't "negotiations". I get the feeling I am being mislead by BOTH sides and I'm tired of it. If your negotiating, then say so.

Driver....
They are NOT negotiations, straight from John Rice and Dave N. mouths.
It is a chance for the 2 sides to come together, without the mediator, and talk. Talk about each others position and why it is each side needs or wants certain things. It allows each side to understand each other better so that when negotiations do start up again they are more productive. Meetings like this were done prior to section 13 TA and you see how easily that got resolved afterward. Not saying this will speed the process but hopefully make it move better then without the meetings.
The ball is in the companies court, they have everything and are up for a counter offer! Hopefully something starts up within the next month.
Cheers

 

["GO AROUND"]

If that is true, then why are the ALPA updates saying that these aren't "negotiations". I get the feeling I am being mislead by BOTH sides and I'm tired of it. If your negotiating, then say so. The company needs to drop the paycuts for some, give a slight increase in 401k, and some job protection. The union needs to drop the huge payraise and the Bfund. Just get'er done.

Did I ever say that they were negotiations? No. They are talking Supposals. "suppose we give a little on this, will you give a little on that?"

You and the company are the only ones who think the pilots want a huge payraise. For me and a lot of others this is about just what you said, Cola's, and the ability to make more money if we want to work for it. It's a novel concept but SKW has that ability yet they are not willing to give us the same opportunity. Why is that?

As I said before ALPA was not the one that stopped negotiating, the company did. ALPA passed the last proposals and the company still hasn't passed anything back.


As for the SKW pilots, the whipsaw has already snapped back to them. Ask someone in the know if Jerry isn't saying that their rates have to come down or aircraft could be shifted. He has already told our MEC chairman that SKW rates are gonna have to come down when he was asked why all the 50 seaters aren't coming to ASA when our rates are so much lower.

 

[Tomct]

Did I ever say that they were negotiations? No. They are talking Supposals. "suppose we give a little on this, will you give a little on that?"

You and the company are the only ones who think the pilots want a huge payraise. For me and a lot of others this is about just what you said, Cola's, and the ability to make more money if we want to work for it. It's a novel concept but SKW has that ability yet they are not willing to give us the same opportunity. Why is that?

As I said before ALPA was not the one that stopped negotiating, the company did. ALPA passed the last proposals and the company still hasn't passed anything back.


As for the SKW pilots, the whipsaw has already snapped back to them. Ask someone in the know if Jerry isn't saying that their rates have to come down or aircraft could be shifted. He has already told our MEC chairman that SKW rates are gonna have to come down when he was asked why all the 50 seaters aren't coming to ASA when our rates are so much lower.

Once again, Driver only seeing what he WANTS to SEE!! I agree with you Go Around, things MUST IMPROVE here or we stop working....IT'S THAT SIMPLE!!! Like I said before, the Skywst pilots are NEXT! They better WAKE UP and start making things happen or they will just "GET" a new "lower" payrate! We ALL must get on the same page or JA is going to continue the whipsaw all the while making TONS of money!!!

 

[ASADriver]

Did I ever say that they were negotiations? No. They are talking Supposals. "suppose we give a little on this, will you give a little on that?"

Sounds like negotiations to me. You said:

Yes and for the last 2 weeks they have been metting with the company and talking supposals in order to get this done.

First, aren't you the one who was correcting spelling on another thread? It is meeting, not metting.

Second, why can't we say we are negotiating? What the hell is the difference between "supposals" and "proposals". I'm tired of the BS.

 

[ASADriver]

Driver....
They are NOT negotiations, straight from John Rice and Dave N. mouths.
It is a chance for the 2 sides to come together, without the mediator, and talk. Talk about each others position and why it is each side needs or wants certain things. It allows each side to understand each other better so that when negotiations do start up again they are more productive. Meetings like this were done prior to section 13 TA and you see how easily that got resolved afterward. Not saying this will speed the process but hopefully make it move better then without the meetings.
The ball is in the companies court, they have everything and are up for a counter offer! Hopefully something starts up within the next month.
Cheers

They sound like negotiations to me. However I appreciate your answers. Now I have another question. Everyone says that it is the company's turn to move. However when I asked one of our P2P people about our high 50 seat rates we are asking for he said, "that is our opening position and that is why it is still so high". The company has moved on the rates, so if we are still on our opening rates, and the company has moved, isn't it our turn to move?

 

[Blucher]

They sound like negotiations to me. However I appreciate your answers. Now I have another question. Everyone says that it is the company's turn to move. However when I asked one of our P2P people about our high 50 seat rates we are asking for he said, "that is our opening position and that is why it is still so high". The company has moved on the rates, so if we are still on our opening rates, and the company has moved, isn't it our turn to move?

I think it's time to correctly represent yourself "ASADriver." Perhaps "ASADeskDriver" would be a more fitting title?

-Blucher:laugh:

 

[SuperKooter]

Hmm only 92% of the only 85% that voted. To me that seems about 80% in favor. Looks like 20% of the pilots don't support the MEC. This sent a managment a message and that message is that they can ask for more cuts. Way to go alpa.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Well, well, look what the cat dragged in.

 

[SuperKooter]

Well, well, look what the cat dragged in.

What happened to all the talk about 95% or more that the alpaites kept raving about? Looks to me the vote turned out to be a failure.

 

[sweptback]

They sound like negotiations to me. However I appreciate your answers. Now I have another question. Everyone says that it is the company's turn to move. However when I asked one of our P2P people about our high 50 seat rates we are asking for he said, "that is our opening position and that is why it is still so high". The company has moved on the rates, so if we are still on our opening rates, and the company has moved, isn't it our turn to move?

You are wrong. Negotiations entail passing papers between the parties and the agreed upon terms have weight. This is just a glorified brainstorming session. There was no mediator present and nothing was TA'd or agreed to. It was more of a philosophical discussion.

Our "high" 50 seat rates are not that high compared to the rest of the industry. Due to our stagnant contract now most 50 seat operators have higher pay than us.

The ball is in the company's court because the last time we had mediated negotiations, ALPA presented the last proposal. The company now must respond to the proposal that we passed to them. If we were to amend our proposal we would be in effect negotiating against ourselves.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

What happened to all the talk about 95% or more that the alpaites kept raving about? Looks to me the vote turned out to be a failure.

Not sure why you are addressing this to me, but I never claimed a 95% pass rate. However, the pilot support has been thrown behind the Negotiating Committee, should they deem a strike necessary. Hopefully it won't come to that though. I'd hate to see you have to make the choice of whether to cross or not.

 

[ASADriver]

You are wrong. Negotiations entail passing papers between the parties and the agreed upon terms have weight. This is just a glorified brainstorming session. There was no mediator present and nothing was TA'd or agreed to. It was more of a philosophical discussion.

Our "high" 50 seat rates are not that high compared to the rest of the industry. Due to our stagnant contract now most 50 seat operators have higher pay than us.

The ball is in the company's court because the last time we had mediated negotiations, ALPA presented the last proposal. The company now must respond to the proposal that we passed to them. If we were to amend our proposal we would be in effect negotiating against ourselves.

Suppostions/Negotiations, I don't care what you want to call, just get the dam!ed thing done. Are you saying our 50 seat rates that we are asking for are realistic? They higher than most 70 seat rates. Why did a P2P tell me our 50 seat rates were our opening position? How do our current proposed rates compare to what our opening rates were?

 

["GO AROUND"]

Sounds like negotiations to me. You said:

Yes and for the last 2 weeks they have been metting with the company and talking supposals in order to get this done.

First, aren't you the one who was correcting spelling on another thread? It is meeting, not metting.

Second, why can't we say we are negotiating? What the hell is the difference between "supposals" and "proposals". I'm tired of the BS.

Wasn't talking about spelling in the other thread was I? I was talking about GRAMMAR. People that say b*tching is unprofessional and yet they don't know the difference between there and their and you're and your or how to use them in a sentence.

I also said that I was far from perfect and am not immune from mistyping.

You wanna argue about calling it negotiating or not? Fine, they are negotiating. Happy now?

 

[Tomct]

Wasn't talking about spelling in the other thread was I? I was talking about GRAMMAR. People that say b*tching is unprofessional and yet they don't know the difference between there and their and you're and your or how to use them in a sentence.

I also said that I was far from perfect and am not immune from mistyping.

You wanna argue about calling it negotiating or not? Fine, they are negotiating. Happy now?

Go Around, don't worry about justifying yourself to Driver. He is just bored of sitting in his office and is just trying to stir up some SH!T. When we get our NEW contract, he will be one of the first complaining about something...I'm Sure!!

 

[ASADriver]

Wasn't talking about spelling in the other thread was I? I was talking about GRAMMAR. People that say b*tching is unprofessional and yet they don't know the difference between there and their and you're and your or how to use them in a sentence.

I also said that I was far from perfect and am not immune from mistyping.

You wanna argue about calling it negotiating or not? Fine, they are negotiating. Happy now?

Talk about a cop out. Spelling and Grammar are important, but everyone makes mistakes. You think maybe people might mistype the proper use of "there" and "their" and "they're". I know the difference and I have mistyped those words. You have to admit that some of the diehard shut the place down types on here are unprofessional. It's not THEIR grammar, or spelling that makes them unprofessional, it's THEIR comments.

 

[Tomct]

Talk about a cop out. Spelling and Grammar are important, but everyone makes mistakes. You think maybe people might mistype the proper use of "there" and "their" and "they're". I know the difference and I have mistyped those words. You have to admit that some of the diehard shut the place down types on here are unprofessional. It's not THEIR grammar, or spelling that makes them unprofessional, it's THEIR comments.

Okay, so NOW you are saying that "the Die Hards" are a Bad thing!! I believe that you will be happy for those of us...DIE HARDS when we have a NEW CONTRACT!! Only time will tell and mgmnt BETTER get THEIR SH!T together SOON!!! You HEAR that JA?

 

[JoeMerchant]

OK, now what?

The strike results are in. Far worse than the '97 results. Almost 25% either didn't vote, or voted no. We remain parked, and ALPA says the next move must be made by management.

What happens if management doesn't make another move and simply starts transferring assets to SKYW? What does ALPA do? What is ALPA's next move if we remain parked?

 

[jehtplane]

OK, now what?

The strike results are in. Far worse than the '97 results. Almost 25% either didn't vote, or voted no. We remain parked, and ALPA says the next move must be made by management.

What happens if management doesn't make another move and simply starts transferring assets to SKYW? What does ALPA do? What is ALPA's next move if we remain parked?

Far worse? Are you management now, oh wait your chick tried that and It didn't work out so well, 25%, thought it was more like 15%, and even that number is skewed, want proof, I recieved a strike ballot and I no longer work for ASA. So I guess i am in that 15%. It was 98% last time, I was there, with a little over 700 pilots, now it is 93% with double the pilot group, I would say that is pretty good, I know you are gonna turn this into ALPA bashing, CAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO, WHY DON'T YOU EXPEND SOME ENERGY IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE CURRENT PROBLEMS, OH WAIT YOU PUNKED OUT AND VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT ALPA. Unite and Fight. Get what you guys deserve. Don't be a punk bitch

 

[JoeMerchant]

Far worse? Are you management now, oh wait your chick tried that and It didn't work out so well, 25%, thought it was more like 15%, and even that number is skewed, want proof, I recieved a strike ballot and I no longer work for ASA. So I guess i am in that 15%. It was 98% last time, I was there, with a little over 700 pilots, now it is 93% with double the pilot group, I would say that is pretty good, I know you are gonna turn this into ALPA bashing, CAUSE YOU ALWAYS DO, WHY DON'T YOU EXPEND SOME ENERGY IN TRYING TO SOLVE THE CURRENT PROBLEMS, OH WAIT YOU PUNKED OUT AND VOTED NO BECAUSE YOU WERE PISSED AT ALPA. Unite and Fight. Get what you guys deserve. Don't be a punk bitch

Unite and Fight? OK, maybe if ALPA decides it wants to unite, that might work. However in case you haven't noticed, ALPA has no interest in uniting groups that compete under each brand. If ALPA wants to come up with a unified "brand scope" or "inclusive scope", then I will fight. Without that, it is a lost cause.

Why are you still worried about this? You have moved on to "greener pastures".