ASA proposed pay scale!!!

[goahead]

Man I couldn't agree more, this isn't the good ole boy's day. People need to be held accountable for their mistakes, and if a problem exist then fix it even if it means firing someone who's been here for 20+ years.

 

[ReportCanoa]

Man I couldn't agree more, this isn't the good ole boy's day. People need to be held accountable for their mistakes, and if a problem exist then fix it even if it means firing someone who's been here for 20+ years.

Well, that's just the problem at ASA. Why fire a veteran of 15 years who will sue for discrimination, when they can go after the only group of people at the airline with integrity? What say you Brian Lebreque? What about our pass privileges? Will that be announced before or after the strike vote takes place? I think I can guess.

 

[IFLYASA]

Talking about reducing costs besides the pilot group, how about making open time "completely" automated?? Opens at 8AM, closes at 6PM, everyday. At the strike of 6, the computer accepts or denies. That would eliminate a few jobs over there. I know, I know..... It's all about control.

Another, build the lines without all these 3-4 hour sits, and make them more effecient. Likes lots of 18-20 hour 3 days?? The issue of duty rigs and more days off would be solved. I heard Willy cost the company about 250,000$ in deadheads this month. Again, it's all about control.

Maybe let us sell sick time at the end of the year. That would give us the incentive to not call in sick, knowing we may get a small "Christmas", oops, I mean "Holiday" check. That means less sick calls and a better run airline.

A happy employee group means a happy work place, which leads to better customer service and more tickets sold.

Well if we ask for a 19% raise, that is just about as "overball" as managements "underball" is. Fight fire with fire.

It's so entertaining now to see management squirming with their deadline. Throwing all of "their" updates at our faces. Like we're going to agree with them or something, HAHAHAHA! Definate YES on the strike vote!!

 

[Berry McCockner]

Amazing. I said almost the exact same thing about a month ago, and was reamed by everyone saying that I was being unprofessional by wasting gas. Maybe if a few more pilots would realize that they have the ability to either save or waste money as they see fit the company would see the light as well.

You should do everything that can be done to conserve fuel.

1. The company can not control the price of gas
2. Waisting fuel will indirectly affect you personally when you fill up your car (law of supply and demand).
3 If for nothing else, do it for the evironment.

 

[bvt1151]

Why would SkyWest burn $400 million in aquisition costs and then want you to go away?

Probably for the same reason Delta is burning a $2 billion investment in Comair.

 

[Tomct]

:angryfireGeneral...Think Again. We don't make enough to take any cuts! It will be a cold day in H3LL before this pilot group sells out for pay cuts!

The CNC has not had a chance to make a proposal yet. I had one of the negotiators on my jumpseat the other day. So don't let this "company Crap" get you fired up. They are just trying to divide the pilot group.

ALL ASA PILOT! I am so proud to see more and more of the Strike Vote Yes comments on this board. I believe that if we do have a strike vote and it passes like 95-97%, the company will definately blink and crap and eggroll. We MUST stand UNITED!! Strike Vote Yes for ME!!!

And if the company was REALLY serious about saving money, they would have started it a long time ago. They just expect us pilots to save the day, bend over and take a "fist of sandpaper" like everyone else in this industry! SCREW THAT!! I have more Pride than that in myself!
Stand United guys/gals, Strike Vote NOW!!!

 

[FDJ2]

ALL ASA PILOT! I am so proud to see more and more of the Strike Vote Yes comments on this board. I believe that if we do have a strike vote and it passes like 95-97%, the company will definately blink and crap and eggroll. We MUST stand UNITED!! Strike Vote Yes for ME!!!

"UNITED", that is the key. There's no doubt that ASA pilots are under the gun, like many others, and it's hard to see where this will all end, but one thing is for sure, you will do better when you stay "UNITED" and demonstrate that unity every single day. Apathy and resignation are the enemy, get involved, volunteer to help, volunteer for informational picketing, empower your MEC with a strike authorization and stay focused and stay informed. Your situation is not good, but it isn't hopeless either. Good luck.

 

[HoserASA]

Here's a way to save some dough ASA! Check those ramper "overnight" bags that they all bring to work every day. Seems they're light coming in, and a little bit heavier going out! In the past, some have sold the catering supplies they "borrowed" from ASA!

 

[Crash Pad]

ALPA- $45.00 second year FO... How come no one thinks that might be a little high. I get it the company low balled but ALPA was excessive.
I'm shooting for an exact replica of Skywest. I think they have the work rules you all want. For those of you burn it down types that don't have your resume on the street I suggest you shop it around a little. You might be surprised.

 

[Freebrd]

ALPA- $45.00 second year FO... How come no one thinks that might be a little high. I get it the company low balled but ALPA was excessive.

CrashPad= Management! That you Dillon? Hall? Tutt? LaConfused?

 

[goodto50meters]

Dudes...............We are F*@ked on this! Mgmnt is showing their teeth here, and I'm not sure they are backing down! With proposals like these, I suspect SKW wants to get rid of us 'problem childs' and is directing LiarBreque to force us into a strike and non-existance. I mean, be real..........to say your ready to get a deal done, and come out with these proposals is ludicrious! That said, the rates ALPA proposed were pretty rediculous too! 19% increases at this time is stupid to put on the table. This is a hugh stalemate, with neither side coming from reality. Anyway, SKYW wants to make us cheap lift, a la Mesa so they can grow, on the back of labor.

Take it easy...

Management is showing their ass not 'showing their teeth'. After 3.5 years of having OUR OPENER they quote from it, Pathetic to say the least. Also keep in mind that compensation HAS NOT been discussed at the table yet due to the BS delay and obstruct tactics by La Liars 'Team'.

LaLiar and his minions are up against the wall here for their own survival, dont forget this point. How much we pilots cave is directly proportional to ASA managements level of survival and bonus package in the SkyWest harem.

Notice that management conveniently left out Horizons payscale on their little rag 'update'.

This is desperation on managements part folks, and I would argue is a GOOD sign. They know what the reaction from us is over their stalls and especially last weeks proposal which was fit for only one thing...wiping my ass. They are scared that they are about to loose their little kingdom over in the Glass-Tower. This is not about competition in the industry it is about them personally! If they signed an agreement with Delta that makes it hard to make high profits without stealing from us, tough shiott! They will just have to bid for flying and accept a lower profit margin, I will not be a whore! I will not finance their aircraft, this is their job! SkyWest realizes the economies of scale by their sheer size, eliminate ASA's redundant incompetent management and 16th place operation and run it with people who have a clue. Picking my pocket just aint gonna happen, this job just is bearly worth it now.

Anything less than the work rule changes and modest increases in pay accross the board with COLA backpay will get a NO vote from me. BTW, this means a separate 50 and 70 pay scale. Sorry LiarBrecque.

YES to STRIKE!
YES to my MEC!
YES management is full of shiott!
NO to the 'RoadMap'

Hey I have an idea.....lets all co-mat this stupid management update back to LaLiarque and clog the mail.....give him something to manage...

 

[Jeepman]

So what are the proposed pay rates?

 

[79%N1]

OK, I see your point. However, if they are indeed up against the wall and in need of completing the contract quickly, as they say.......then, why such a lowball offer. I think that they have been given a number from SkyW and they must meet it or they will turn the screw to us, a la ACA, AirWis, Mesaba and Comair. I'm no management koolaid guy, but I think Im beginning to see they can drastically shrink us and pump in more CHQ, Mesa or Comair if THEY tow the line. Either way, I dont think I'll want to work here anymore!

 

[ASAFLY2]

We have to fight for this contract. If MGMT gets their way, a 5 year contract will mean no cost of living increase for 11 years, and that is if we get a new contract on the next ammendable date. You are probably looking at 15 years with no COL increase. I think most ASA pilots know we will not get a big pay increase, but work rule improvements are a must. MGMT is proposing concessions in areas we are already behind industry standard. Don't think BL and the group will do the right thing in the future and "take care of us". When the company does well, and they will, MGMT will get the credit along with bonuses and stock options. They have showed us that they don't value us or the job we do. Many of the other employee groups at ASA have a unfavorable opinion of the pilots. A big reason for this is the crap that MGMT spews about us. We need a strong showing in this strike vote. A big yes vote could prevent a strike by showing MGMT how united and determined we are.

 

[goodto50meters]

Of the many public facts and quotes out about SkyWest/ASA here is a basic and very telling quotable quote from SkyWest website:

"Our cash position will remain strong through the acquisition supporting daily operations as well as providing for future oportunities. Our new Delta contracts will be profitable from day one."

Sorry Brian, take your 'roadmap' and shove it up your ass.

 

[Plug]

The company has finally started negotiating and presented their low offer to counter our high offer. This is a sign that it is the beginning of the end. There is a lot of middle ground. What the company is too narrow-minded to figure out is that a lot of the QOL issues we have would also make ASA much more efficient but they are just too blind and can't get past the whole control issue. These next 2 months should be interesting.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

Ha ha. You guys will be the Lowest paid in the industry and when your Flight Benefits get cut, retirees will bump you off of your own airplanes. See what we've done for you? Don't forget to pay your DUES.

 

[AutoTransfer]

I read somewhere recently with regards to negotiations: "If your first offer doesn't embarrass you and whomever you're negotiating with, it was too high." This is how I’m looking at Management's "opener" (POS). It's just a shame that their "opener" (POS) comes 3 & 1/2 years into negotiations. LaB and his cronies are looking at this like they just pulled their head out of the sand and realized, "whoa, we've got negotiations going on with our pilots."

With regards to the 19% pay raise that management refers to, that was supposedly an initial proposal based on Comair pay rates earlier last year. I believe it was Comair + 1% over the term of the contract. This was not unreasonable for the time it was proposed and the pilot’s Contract Negotiation Committee have not had an opportunity to counter propose managements "opener" (POS).

The real question is: Does management have realistic expectations of how these negotiations will proceed? We'll probably know with the next couple of negotiating sessions. If they don't move at all, then the pilots won’t be the only ones brushing up their resumes.

Say what you will, but I believe that ASA pilots are some of the best in the industry (although some might say I'm slightly biased.) The vast majority of us want to have a smooth, safe, on-time operation. To do so, we constantly have to cover operational shortcomings, push through the abuse by screw scheduling, and choke down the occasional dry holiday cookie. Well, at least we did before the beatings began.

You can include my YES vote when the strike ballot is distributed. If Management holds us in such low regard, then they deserve to be deprived of our worthless services.

AT

 

[Sinca3]

1) The ALPA rates that are in that "company" update are from 3/05 and the opener from ALPA. ALPA gave the company all of their proposals around that time so it makes perfect since. The rates for Comair are the "proposed new" rates that they have yet to vote on!!
2) The whole purpose of negotiations is to meet in the middle. It will be done!
3) I firmly believe ASA can have rates on par with CoEx or even slightly better than Chautaqua, but Horizon rates are a different beast. They are wholly owned subsidiary of a specialty airline that has some of the highest fares out there. Therefore there pay is going able to be higher, atleast for now. As for Horizon work rules.....Bring'em, they are some of the better out there!!
4) Thank you FDJ. Your post was exactely what we at ASA need to hear from an outsider. It is hopefully what the vast majority of or group will take to heart.
We Will Get A New and FAIR contract or We Will Vote NO NO NO NO NO..........

 

[Crash Pad]

You can get Coex, or CHQ plus 10%. Then in a few months you slowly get replaced. I've already got the resume on the street both aviation and otherwise. The employment picture isn't that hot. I'm just looking to replace 30 and change. You guys looking for 60-80K will be shocked.
Skywest exact contract.