ASA Pilots: Time to Consider PBS?

[CFIT]

I believe with the SKW system, you get 3 days off added before or after the vacation. Still, that's not the same as having 2 conflicting 4-day trips drop. Regardless, it's what WE are able to negotiate that matters.

I wish that was the case, but unfortunetly completely untrue.

I fact it's hard to explain but you actually lose vacation time with AOS PBS.

I'd STRONGLY recommend ASA pilots run, don't walk, away from AOS PBS.

 

[777forever]

Does not benefit the entire pilot group across the board. If the entire pilot group gives, the entire pilot group should benefit equally.

That's just one thing to start. I'm sure the pilot group will ask for multiple changes in return for PBS.

BTW I'm not on the unprotected list

 

[Stifler's Mom]

They can have their "Integration Days" back. I'm tired of not being able to control my life around events that occur on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd of every month.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

They can have their "Integration Days" back. I'm tired of not being able to control my life around events that occur on the 1st, 2nd or 3rd of every month.

You will love AOS PBS, the entire month will be "Integration Days". The senior guys will sell PBS to the junior guys as an improvement, giving them more control over their schedules, WRONG, it gives the company complete control over all of your schedules, strike before taking PBS.
PBR

 

[rtmcfi]

I wish that was the case, but unfortunetly completely untrue.

I fact it's hard to explain but you actually lose vacation time with AOS PBS.

I'd STRONGLY recommend ASA pilots run, don't walk, away from AOS PBS.

This guy has been around SkyWest longer than most of you have been flying. You would do well to heed his advice.

 

[Sherpa]

We will never allow PBS at ASA! Wait a minute...

 

[bigshooter107]

We will never allow PBS at ASA! Wait a minute...

Zombie necro post.....

 

[Sherpa]

After the warm liquid goo phase and picking up my Swedish made penis pump I'm told we quite enjoy PBS.

 

[Tarzan]

How about lead in and lead out days for vacation. That is a big thing we are going to loose with perf bid, the extra days that we can bid around vacation.

Funny. Same argument from XJT guys right now. I guess we don't really have that problem do we?

XJT guys... Be warned now. SmartPref operates on the same design as AOS. Just because you have this "prelim" look at your award does not change the fact that it still uses the same logic.

 

[Nevets]

Funny. Same argument from XJT guys right now. I guess we don't really have that problem do we?

XJT guys... Be warned now. SmartPref operates on the same design as AOS. Just because you have this "prelim" look at your award does not change the fact that it still uses the same logic.

How do you know that? Did your MEC tell you that? Oh wait, they haven't told you anything because they haven't taken the time to actually find out!

 

[Tarzan]

How do you know that? Did your MEC tell you that? Oh wait, they haven't told you anything because they haven't taken the time to actually find out!

I don't need my MEC to to tell me. I understand enough about how different PBS systems award to understand the logic of the system. Why don't you tell me how SmartPref does NOT award on the same logic as Carmen and AOS. The front ends are different but the actual engine that drives the final awards are based on the same philosophy.

While work rules are important, what you can NOT regulate is the basic award logic that they system is based on. If you suppress how high the global constraints go, you are effectively handcuffing the system with NO way on the back side to get an award that will work. You simply have to accept that SmartPref in bases such as EWR, will have a globally constrained group that will make HALF your line holders. It is in the videos on the Crewing Solutions website.

 

[Nevets]

I don't need my MEC to to tell me. I understand enough about how different PBS systems award to understand the logic of the system. Why don't you tell me how SmartPref does NOT award on the same logic as Carmen and AOS. The front ends are different but the actual engine that drives the final awards are based on the same philosophy.

While work rules are important, what you can NOT regulate is the basic award logic that they system is based on. If you suppress how high the global constraints go, you are effectively handcuffing the system with NO way on the back side to get an award that will work. You simply have to accept that SmartPref in bases such as EWR, will have a globally constrained group that will make HALF your line holders. It is in the videos on the Crewing Solutions website.

If this is supposedly true, then why hasn't your MEC made the same point in a written communication to all those who aren't as astute as you supposedly are showing how their research and trial runs support these claims? Maybe because they can't prove this to be true? Or because they can't?

 

[79%N1]

How do you know that? Did your MEC tell you that? Oh wait, they haven't told you anything because they haven't taken the time to actually find out!

Here we go again......

And really, maybe he is smart or researched it himself or called the developer. Does his MEC REALLY have to tell him something to be able to find out or have knowledge about it? Nevets, do you think we all are just lemmings that need our MEC to tell us, or it isn't so? Your reply was dumb.

 

[CFI2766]

Haven't you got anything better to do on the lake today, Major?

 

[Nevets]

Here we go again......

And really, maybe he is smart or researched it himself or called the developer. Does his MEC REALLY have to tell him something to be able to find out or have knowledge about it? Nevets, do you think we all are just lemmings that need our MEC to tell us, or it isn't so? Your reply was dumb.

Still ignoring the original point. Why hasn't your MEC stated its facts and opinions? That is my ONLY point. Not whether some resourceful pilots did their hours of extensive research and testing of different PBS software. Also has NOTHING to do with whether you are lemmings or not. It's about your MEC stating what they are for and against and empirical evidence of that stance. If they don't state it and stand behind it by putting it in writing, then it makes it convenient for them to deny anything and everything, which they probably do on a weekly basis when pilots call them.

 

[JumpersAway]

Still ignoring the original point. Why hasn't your MEC stated its facts and opinions? That is my ONLY point. Not whether some resourceful pilots did their hours of extensive research and testing of different PBS software. Also has NOTHING to do with whether you are lemmings or not. It's about your MEC stating what they are for and against and empirical evidence of that stance. If they don't state it and stand behind it by putting it in writing, then it makes it convenient for them to deny anything and everything, which they probably do on a weekly basis when pilots call them.

Wow Nevets. Looks like you really have a huge ax to grind with our MEC. Is this because they're not rolling over and playing ball with your MEC? The ASA side of the pilot group supports our MEC, unlike what's been going on with your side of the house. Not only was the seeked recall denied, I think you could say it was CRUSHED, by a landslide.

Information from our MEC isn't top secret. They'll fill you in on everything you want to know. All you have to do is email them, phone them, or just stop by their office on the way in to work. It's not a top secret Skull and Bones operation they have over there.

As for the memo- they've put out a dozen or better of those. When the PBS system was being looked at, we got many relating to PBS systems, the pro's and con's of each, and versatility of said systems. Why does beating a dead horse over and over and over and over and over again really matter, with the use of a current memo about the same old news. Frankly, it doesn't matter what they publish, it doesn't change the rock hard truth that we have one of the best PBS systems in the AIRLINE industry, and that the majority of the pilots like it.

Now, having said that, I will also say that if I have an issue with scheduling, and the bidding process, it hasn't got anything to do with PBS. It does, however, have quite a bit to do with the pairing construction. That's where the bulk of our issues lay, and where the bulk of our time needs to be spent finessing.......

 

[Nevets]

Wow Nevets. Looks like you really have a huge ax to grind with our MEC. Is this because they're not rolling over and playing ball with your MEC? The ASA side of the pilot group supports our MEC, unlike what's been going on with your side of the house. Not only was the seeked recall denied, I think you could say it was CRUSHED, by a landslide.

Information from our MEC isn't top secret. They'll fill you in on everything you want to know. All you have to do is email them, phone them, or just stop by their office on the way in to work. It's not a top secret Skull and Bones operation they have over there.

As for the memo- they've put out a dozen or better of those. When the PBS system was being looked at, we got many relating to PBS systems, the pro's and con's of each, and versatility of said systems. Why does beating a dead horse over and over and over and over and over again really matter, with the use of a current memo about the same old news. Frankly, it doesn't matter what they publish, it doesn't change the rock hard truth that we have one of the best PBS systems in the AIRLINE industry, and that the majority of the pilots like it.

Now, having said that, I will also say that if I have an issue with scheduling, and the bidding process, it hasn't got anything to do with PBS. It does, however, have quite a bit to do with the pairing construction. That's where the bulk of our issues lay, and where the bulk of our time needs to be spent finessing.......

If you don't want to beat a dead horse, then stop replying to my beatings.

I don't know what your MEC's position is on smartpref. And neither do your pilots! That's my only point. Sure, they may lie to those same dozen pilots that call and email them on a relatively regular basis. But what about the other 1500? Why does your MEC disenfranchise them? Why don't they just put it in writing for anybody to read? WHY? That's my ONLY point! And to date, NO ONE has even attempted to address that. I think they are secretly for it and just hiding it. Prove me wrong.

Now your turn to beat the horse.

 

[ASADriver]

If you don't want to beat a dead horse, then stop replying to my beatings.

I don't know what your MEC's position is on smartpref. And neither do your pilots! That's my only point. Sure, they may lie to those same dozen pilots that call and email them on a relatively regular basis. But what about the other 1500? Why does your MEC disenfranchise them? Why don't they just put it in writing for anybody to read? WHY? That's my ONLY point! And to date, NO ONE has even attempted to address that. I think they are secretly for it and just hiding it. Prove me wrong.

Now your turn to beat the horse.

The fact that you are this mad at our MEC proves they are doing a good job.:laugh:

 

[Nevets]

The fact that you are this mad at our MEC proves they are doing a good job.:laugh:

Not mad, just embarrassed for you guys.

 

[79%N1]

We're fine, thanks for your concern.