ASA pilots quitting at record pace...

[AMANSWORLD]

So the union can't strike but you actually think a wildcat strike can be achieved. How do you propose we organize it? Who is going to pay for the time on CNN? It seems so easy to just pull off a strike, but it isn't that easy. Are you going to organize this?

Why do you want to help? If there was enough support I would get the airtime that is how strong I feel about this. It is time a pilot group had some balls and did what someone else should have years ago. When is enough, enough? Are we as pilots going to continue to lower the bar to the point were we make less than someone at a fast food joint? We are not to far away from that. And if ANYONE and I do mean ANYONE actually believes for one second this would not get ALPA's, Skywest Management, ASA management, Delta management, the government, the shareholders of the respective companies, and MOST IMPORTANTLY - THE PUBLIC'S attention as to what is really going on in this industry. Power is in numbers. And the more people understand your cause and you educate them, which is something in my opinion ALPA has failed at every level to do, you will not get results. This something that would draw enough attention whether positive or negative does not matter it will give an end result one way or another. At least I will not take bentover. And the respect gained from fellow peers will be unmeasured. Seems to me alot of people like to be status quo in life-and that is ok, but this is a drastic situation and needs to be addressed that way. My advice is sit back, relax, enjoy the flight. Because when this plane that is being flown by management lands you can bet your butt it will be parked on time and you will NOT have a connecting flight, get the picture pal.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

You just gave him away.

Well I guess I did,lol

 

[FightingIrish]

Easy.......Cough...Cough hello scheduling, not coming in this week!!

Oh sure, sounds easy. Now spread the word without using ALPA, and oh yeah, you go first.

 

[rumrnr78]

Man am I glad I got the keys to the corporate lounge! Guys and gals, you would not believe the treatment on the outside! Get out of the coal mine. Let those management pricks run the place themselves.

At one crazy time I almost bought into staying at ASA and going for the wreath around the star. But, with the DFW closure it has been downhill ever since and will not change, sad to say. And, I bought into the belief that the Skywest purchase would be positive, sadly no.

I will always have fond memories of ASA but, thank God, that is all ASA will ever be to me.

God-speed and get out while you can- Rum

 

[jehtplane]

Recently spoke to a friend and fellow ASA pilot who is a fairly senior FO as far as ASA goes (I am a fairly senior Captain). He called me to let me know that he resigned with his two week notice. The day he resigned he was also told by a CP -who will remain nameless because he is a good guy, they have had no less than 150 to 200 resignations in the last month and the number is expected to increase. My buddy has accepted a postion at Skywest and he should be a EMB120 Capt in 6-10 months. I told him congrats! My question is simple it is to the UNION, ASA MANAGEMENT, and SKYWEST. What are you doing to ensure this company will stay productive and around in 1 year,5,10,20,etc. Its seems to me that as long as the contract is not resolved you WILL have poor attitudes because pilots need to know how they plan on paying for a kid, college, or in this case re-training for a new career. This is a big issue! I have always supported our LEC but I have to say I am losing confidence in thier affectiveness, and no I am not supporting the others looking to take thier places. As far as the management goes we have been continuously lied to be our current managemant and they should be let go. Now to the guy pulling BL's cord, Mr. Atkin, you sir need to realize if you can come to some sort of meeting yourself with our union I am quite sure our pilot group will be your best friend, provided we are treated FAIRLY! The problem with ASA is very simple the company's management tactics are in the darktimes. I for one will graciously accept a fair contract, that being said I will also walk the line if needed. Also on another note, my buddy's class date at SKW is approx. 90% ASA guys and gals. So back to the union here, guys it is time for somethings to be done - CONTRACT OR STRIKE. SOON!

That number is way off they have had 38 in the last month

 

[VeeOne]

I hear the cry from many that what has happened over the four years has been criminal. I agree that management has given us the shaft, but IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON AND LIVE IN THE NOW! The point isn't what WAS done, but what do we do NOW! Geez, if Mesaba hasn't been allowed to strike with the beating those poor guys have been through, what makes the hardcore guys think we're going to be allowed to strike? A strike under this presidential administration isn't a fiesable primary option for negotiation.

I don't want ASA to fade into anything- I've invested too much time here and don't have my PIC turbine. One of the worst things you can do is chase an upgrade.

BOTH parties ought to get real in this thing and I am looking for ALPA to make the next step. I sincerely hope that ALPA gets this right for US, and not for anyone else in this industry to set an example. We're not going to get a retirement plan when everyone else has lost theirs, we're not going to get 2001 Comair rates plus 1% either. Heck, given the industry trend as a whole over the past few years, we are gonna' be good to walk away from this one with something extra. Sometimes it's good hold what you can and live to fight another day.

ALPA- LETS GET SOMETHING ROLLING HERE!!!!!

 

[AMANSWORLD]

That number is way off they have had 38 in the last month

Three weeks ago in the CP Sec's office were 48 in two days. Seen them with my own eyes. So the number is well above that.

 

[VeeOne]

I know several that have left, and I'm inclined to validate the figure set forth by AMANSWORLD.... Just look at the stack of returned Jepps.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

I know several that have left, and I'm inclined to validate the figure set forth by AMANSWORLD.... Just look at the stack of returned Jepps.

According to one of my friends as soon as skywest gets a few more -900's on property we can expect a skywest base in Atlanta. Then maybe someone will actually figure it out. I'll be one of the first in November to punch out.

 

[just tired]

told 67 gone as of last week by an instructor whom had also resigned.

 

[FightingIrish]

According to one of my friends as soon as skywest gets a few more -900's on property we can expect a skywest base in Atlanta. Then maybe someone will actually figure it out. I'll be one of the first in November to punch out.

The question is whether ALPA will figure it out?

 

[rausda27]

I am not seeing much attrition from the right seat of the 50. My number has hardly budged in the past 4 months.

 

[AMANSWORLD]

Well bottomline is this from my little part of the world. I have been at ASA for alot longer than I will mention here. I have disagreed with some peoples thoughts in the past with this company, but overall we have a very good bunch of pilots here and what upsets me is that we are all going to be out of a job sooner or later the way things have been handled. I think alot of is pure greed and power. And if anyone who looks at this companies past knows we will not take it from management, WE WILL NOT START NOW!!! --- I hope you heard this JA/BL!

It is time for something to happen, before the holidays! I will not be on the road making money for a company replacing my job. I will be at home with my family enjoying the holiday. I hope the person who updates the gate/flight info boards has CXLD memorized because it is coming over thanksgiving and christmas if we do not have a contract VOTED IN. And I encourage all ASA pilots to take a long hard look at this and help your fellow pilots, your profession, and more importantly your family. We need to make this known.

 

[jehtplane]

I am not seeing much attrition from the right seat of the 50. My number has hardly budged in the past 4 months.

That is because these numbers are well inflated by people who have seen them with "their own eyes", the truth is nobody knows how many people have left ASA in the past month, week, year or whatever, and if people are leaving, who cares good for them and good luck. We all hear different numbers from different people , instructors, chief pilots, or the occassional I know someone in management. To everyone leaving ASA, good for you!!!!!

And amansworld, why do you not care to mention how long you have been at ASA, who cares, I was there for 8 years, so what.

 

[VeeOne]

probably because at the upper echelon of the seniority list it would be easier to figure out exactly who he is.