ASA PBS Goes LIVE!

[Freebrd]

oh you'll get a line alright

 

[Freebrd]

And they are blocked to 13 or 14 hours. Can't complete a good schedule with that.

why the union allowed 3 days to be built this low is frustrating, we should have individual legs to pick from to build a pairing ourselves, iow no company built low value pairings

 

[pkunzip66]

why the union allowed 3 days to be built this low is frustrating, we should have individual legs to pick from to build a pairing ourselves, iow no company built low value pairings

Cause QOL is completely gone. The company wants you working as many days possible to get your 75. Gone are the days of 25hour 4 days...now all we got is 50min hops 5-6 times a day with 2 hour sits every turn so you can have a 14 hour duty days and to top it off, 9 hour layover w/ a 30-45 min van ride to the hotel one way.

 

[79%N1]

Cause QOL is completely gone. The company wants you working as many days possible to get your 75. Gone are the days of 25hour 4 days...now all we got is 50min hops 5-6 times a day with 2 hour sits every turn so you can have a 14 hour duty days and to top it off, 9 hour layover w/ a 30-45 min van ride to the hotel one way.

I like the concept of PBS and I think ut is potentially a better way to build a schedule, but if your scenario comes true, I will be all for squashing this in the JCBA! I would think the company is smarter than that, and then I hope at least we can close any loop holes that arise.

 

[LazyLightnin']

The short legs are to blame for the low credit 3 days. The company can be blamed for the 3 hour breaks to avoid 16 hour layovers. Pick your battles. Don't spout off uninformed. That's what female pilots do.

 

[mxaviator]

I've been going through the pairings...on second thought maybe I will bid reserve.

 

[Freebrd]

But up until NOW we have 3 days worth 17-19 hours, even up to 20 occasionally

 

[pkunzip66]

I like the concept of PBS and I think ut is potentially a better way to build a schedule, but if your scenario comes true, I will be all for squashing this in the JCBA! I would think the company is smarter than that, and then I hope at least we can close any loop holes that arise.

I like the concept of PBS too but also the concept of communism sounds great too but in reality that doesn't work. I hope the best for the PBS and that it is honestly a better system.


Speaking of loops holes, the entire ASA contract is nothing but loop holes. I could drive an A380 through the contract. With disclaimers like "at company discretion", "if practical", "if economically feasible", "if possible", "if time allows", "if won't result in a canceled flight", etc...the company will continue to walk all over it's employees. The JCBA really needs to close these up and hopefully both sides of the MEC will accomplish that.

 

[pkunzip66]

Sorry got a little off subject from the original thread.

 

[crj567]

360 lines is quite a nice increase in lines. Fantastic news for those of us that were on the lineholder edge with line bidding.

Congrats-

It is great that you got a line! Every time a pilot gets off reserve at this dump, an angel gets its wings! Seriously, it is a great relief to not have to deal with those scheduling tools as much.

Try and take a longer view, though. It used to be that you would be happy to get a crap line, but eventually you could hold naps, then 4 days, then weekends off, and eventually some sweet 3 days.... Now, with this system, we are all looking at crap 4 days forever. We will hit a 4-day wall, and it will never get better. It will literally be the same for people who have been here 5 years as for those who have been here 25 years.

-If you don't want exactly the same schedule for the next 23 years, please try and consider the big picture. There really needs to be a "good," "better," and "best" selection of trips, not a "crap," "crap," and "crap" selection. Sure, any line is better than reserve, but crap 4 days are not that much better. Certainly not good enough to fly for decades.

-This system is crap without a good variety of trips.

 

[Freebrd]

+1 well said

 

[Texx]

I like the concept of PBS and I think ut is potentially a better way to build a schedule, but if your scenario comes true, I will be all for squashing this in the JCBA! I would think the company is smarter than that, and then I hope at least we can close any loop holes that arise.

You really don't understand what the lawyers are for do you. FH finds loopholes to drive through and ALPA trys to plug them.

 

[Texx]

But up until NOW we have 3 days worth 17-19 hours, even up to 20 occasionally

Now was 2 years ago. Once we began cutting out the longer legs, YYZ, MTY, YUL.... all you can do is fly short legs. Had the same thing on the E120 when the CRJ came around.

 

[Freebrd]

I'm flying 18 hr 3` days this month which 'aint long ago'

 

[JettBoii]

13 - 14 hour three days? WTF? Doesnt even come close to 75 hours; if you have 3 of them for a month. So that means there will be some stacking of this and that to bring it up to 10 low of 85. Will bid 4 days instead. Great.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Unintended consequences

 

[Freebrd]

Will bid 4 days instead. Great.

that be wat they want, u working more, so doing 4 days ok cause trying to do 3 days will have the same time off in the end plus more rides to the parking lot

 

[crj567]

You really don't understand what the lawyers are for do you. FH finds loopholes to drive through and ALPA trys to plug them.

Not when the same exact "loop holes" show up in each new contract. After a while, something starts to smell bad in Brunswick. FH has a job to do, but so do our negotiators, and the job they have been ignoring the most (willfully, I think) is keeping these old well-worn, and well-known "loop holes" from showing up time after time.

-After a while, you just have to call B.S. You really have to question who is working for whom.

 

[pkunzip66]

You really don't understand what the lawyers are for do you. FH finds loopholes to drive through and ALPA trys to plug them.

FH? Help me out.

 

[Freebrd]

FH? Help me out.

ford & harrison, law firm mgt uses to gut contracts

 

[goahead]

Hope you guys are emailing our(the companies) reps, it's the only way it's gonna be considered in the JCBA. I'm cool with the PBS concept but the pairings have to have a min credit of some sort; 3day-16, 4day-18, wheter it's virtual or not I could care less, but to work five days because the pairings suck is not cool.

 

[crj567]

Hope you guys are emailing our(the companies) reps, it's the only way it's gonna be considered in the JCBA. I'm cool with the PBS concept but the pairings have to have a min credit of some sort; 3day-16, 4day-18, wheter it's virtual or not I could care less, but to work five days because the pairings suck is not cool.

EXACTLY!

The union has a hell of a lot of work to do in terms of fixing this mess before they will see my vote in favor of this JCBA. I better see something one hell of a lot better in that damn JCBA!

 

[Freebrd]

they did their work, gotum 6 hr daily crd and hosed line pilots with this PBS deal, and most of us voted it in, crazyyyyyyyyy :nuts:

 

[777forever]

Why is there more Capt lines and reserves projected than FO. Don't we all fly the same schedule?

 

[centralpilot]

Why is there more Capt lines and reserves projected than FO. Don't we all fly the same schedule?

Captains tend to have more weeks of vacation, which leaves more pairing left over to create additional lines. Captains also tend to have more sick calls, requiring more reserve coverage. That's my guess anyway.

 

[777forever]

Captains tend to have more weeks of vacation, which leaves more pairing left over to create additional lines. Captains also tend to have more sick calls, requiring more reserve coverage. That's my guess anyway.

Thanks that definitely explains it.

Just looked at the pairings. Most 3 days I saw were blocked at 15-16 hrs credit. Definitely not enough to make a pure 3 day schedule.

 

[goahead]

What's up with almost all the sim guys bidding lines next month?? Thought they only had to fly one week a quarter that's why I moved down a ton for FEB CR2 CA?????

 

[OCP]

Does no one remember that ALPA sent an email out saying that ASA will be building the parings like they normally do just in case PBS doesn't go live? So for at least this month, they will be as crappy as they always are.
To make PBS actually work then they NEED to build pairings that include a variety of trips to work around everyone's different events.

 

[mxaviator]

Does no one remember that ALPA sent an email out saying that ASA will be building the parings like they normally do just in case PBS doesn't go live? So for at least this month, they will be as crappy as they always are.
To make PBS actually work then they NEED to build pairings that include a variety of trips to work around everyone's different events.

"At least this month" will soon turn into "a few months." My concern is that after a few months this will become the standard. If this model works for them now, then I don't see them changing it. And when we (or at least I) ask an ALPA rep about my PBS concerns, all I get is the run around and advise to have a little patience. Maybe I need to, but when I can see hopes of a decent QOL getting flushed, patience is not the attribute I want to focus on.
Maybe of topic but my favorite response to PBS was at the RGT lunch, "yeah, it'll will be tough on you when your junior but when your senior you'll love it!" You can imagine how well that went over to a group of mostly Reserves.

 

[dojetdriver]

Captains tend to have more weeks of vacation, which leaves more pairing left over to create additional lines. Captains also tend to have more sick calls, requiring more reserve coverage. That's my guess anyway.

And if you guys are still on standard/conventional training cycles, they also have to get ganked offline to do the additional PC.

That is, if you guys train over a trip or on days off, or it's the pilot's option.