ASA Negotiations

[ohplease!]

Are you based in ATL? Shut the door block out and let the circus begin, waiting for headsets, or wing walkers, or standby sally in the tower, or late bags. are you new?

must be too new to hold a good high block line with half the month off. Do whatcha' gotta do to make it work for YOU!

 

[D'Angelo]

Maybe I am alone on this, but I feel that we should get International compensation.
I feel that our certificates are more on the line and the difficulty of the flight is increased anytime we fly outside the lower 48 states.
Has Alpa discussed this?

Youve got to be kidding me. now what should we be getting difficult airport pay because a certain airport has high terrain or something like that? Puhlease now your just shooting for jupiter not the moon.

 

[JFReservist]

Is there a way I can read this thread without seeing D'Angelo's posts?

 

[AdamKooper]

Ignore works well

 

[flylowman]

hey Gangstafag i mean d'angelo you ever get sick of crying the same old tune? Even though you work for a union shop?

Oh thats right your one of those mousey guys in the cockpit that doesn't want to speak his mind but has no problem getting on a anonymous board and posting all day long about how you hate unions.

Dude face it your a coward. Accept that and move on with life. Hopfully though infront of a bus.

I for one think Dangelo should feel lucky to ride in the front of the buss. You can take it how you like. Mind your own buisness. No one wants your $0.02. Thanks

 

[JFReservist]

Now that's much better.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Hey at least we have bal*s at our airline. Thats right you heard me. We didnt give in to the constant pressure of ASA whining and moaning. We did what was best for us not what was best for every other airline to come steal whats left of our flying. Your just mad because you didnt get a quick upgrade off of us. TOO BAD! We think for ourselves over here. Well at least 50.1% of us do but thats enough to get the ball rolling.

Actually, I'm not mad at all. I upgraded at ASA long before you guys rolled over. I'm just asking why you possibly care about what goes on at ASA. By the way, if you are so quick to speak your mind about your union views then, by all means, please come into the crew lounge on your next Atlanta sit and fire away. As it was said before, you're a coward. You sit at your computer and fire shots at the union and more or less talk out of your butt. I don't doubt that you work for Comair, I just doubt that you fly for Comair. My best bet is that you're Fred Buttrell's secretary who finds it fun to post on here in between typing up his crybaby letters to the employees about how *sob* the selfish flight attendants have killed the future of this company with their selfishness. What an ass. If you really do fly for Comair... please, please, PLEASE come into the ASA crew lounge, stand up on the mailboxes, and scream, "I am D'Angelo!!!" I hope I'm there to see what happens. Then again, I'm guessing you're far too much of a pansy-ass to actually stand up for your views in public. Assclown.

 

[asa rat]

Is there a way I can read this thread without seeing D'Angelo's posts?

Yes, ignore works very well!!

Buh bye D'Angehole

 

[atrdriver]

I don't care if we keep premium or not. It does me no good.

So what happens if the company decides to do what they did to the ATR block times a few years ago? They increased block times on EVERY leg to about 15 minutes OVER what they actually took to fly to make their on time performance look better. There was NO WAY to go over block, at least not on a consistent basis. Suddenly ATR crews were easily getting 20+ hours of premium a month. If you really think that losing premium won't affect you, even with todays block times, then you really don't understand how it works.

 

[OCP]

How can underblock NOT affect you? You get there "underblock" you get paid on top of your 75 hrs. As stated above, look at all your paychecks from this year, add up the underblock and then that is what you would be loosing without it.

 

[atrdriver]

How can underblock NOT affect you? You get there "underblock" you get paid on top of your 75 hrs. As stated above, look at all your paychecks from this year, add up the underblock and then that is what you would be loosing without it.

The people that say it wouldn't affect them are the people that don't understand the contract.

 

[WWEfan]

Premium/underblock pay helps EVERYONE!!!

Examples:

1. Nappers can fly 30-35 hours and get paid 80-85 hours
2. Relief/reserves can do the same.
3. Lineholders blocked at 70-80 hours could get 10 hours of premium and get paid for 85.
4. Lineholders blocked over 85 hours could LOSE money without premium. Premium also protects your scheduled block time. The 70 seat RJ is a premium machine. I am blocked at 90 hours this month. I will probably get 5 hours underblock without even trying. Without premium pay I would be paid 85 hours or less for my 90 hour line.

Hold the line on premium.

 

[Sinca3]

If we got rock solid duty and trip rigs we wouldn't need premium pay......

Just my .02 cents

 

[buscap]

Pay cut

It is this simple:

Taking away underblock is a pay cut.

Taking away cancel pay is a pay cut.

No raise is a pay cut.

No Retro Pay is a pay cut.

It is that simple.

All of the above are 100% strike issues. We will walk on these issues. Guaranteed.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Loss of Premium Pay will be yet another reason to support my NO vote. Just cause the MEC reaches a TA does not mean pilots will vote for it.

 

[Airboss]

Uh OH!

Negotiations Cut Short

This week's round of pilot contract negotiations came wheezing to a
premature halt Wednesday. That afternoon, the negotiating team from ASA
management revealed they were unable to offer any significant improvements
from their earlier proposals without more analysis of the remaining open
sections. As a result, contract talks were suspended until the next
scheduled round beginning next Tuesday.

After three days of negotiations in Washington, the ASA management Contract
Negotiating Team Wednesday said they needed time to consult with senior
management before any further proposals could be passed. With all the
remaining open sections in management's court, and ALPA's negotiating team
having no remaining sections on which to work, the National Mediation Board
(NMB) decided to suspend this week's negotiations to allow the company time
to work on their counter-proposals.

My question, if you don't have the authority to negotiate, why work with them? Maybe its time that someone from SR Mgmt join the negotiations. We are one of the most profitable regionals in the industry.

 

[legalalien]

My bad not Sp's you would actually have to go through hot spot bulletins from about 4 years ago. It was put out by Nelson

So now you think the contract can be changed by Hot Spot bulletins!!!

 

[legalalien]

Are you based in ATL? Shut the door block out and let the circus begin, waiting for headsets, or wing walkers, or standby sally in the tower, or late bags. are you new?

I assume you can't read the profile. No I'm not new I have been here for over 6 years.

I stand by what I said before. Overblock is very difficult to get even with our circus performance in Atlanta. I certainly wouldn't expect to ever get more than 6 hours overblock in a month (at least not flying anything close to profile - do you fly around at 0.68M?).

Besides all of this doesn't matter - the company can't change the contract when it suits.

 

[crjskipper]

That bulletin was posted by nelson about 3 years ago. So it expired 2 years and 9 months ago. The FOM doesn't address out on purpose cause it's in the contract as aircraft movement with the intention of push. Rampers use door closure for DOT, as most airlines do, but the official out for pay purposes is contract def.

 

["GO AROUND"]

That bulletin was posted by nelson about 3 years ago. So it expired 2 years and 9 months ago. The FOM doesn't address out on purpose cause it's in the contract as aircraft movement with the intention of push. Rampers use door closure for DOT, as most airlines do, but the official out for pay purposes is contract def.

Thank you! You beat me to it.

 

[Tomct]

Buscap hit the nail right on the head!! Those are ALL strike issues! We would lose a lot of pay IF we let underblock go away. The company would just LUV us! Screw that!

 

[ASA_Willy]

Underblock is a ridiculous basis for compensation. It does not motivate crews to be efficient, nor to be on time. It just makes them fly faster making for waste. Sometimes being underblock means being on time, but just as often it means arriving early, which is not of any particular benefit to the company, but for which crews are equally rewarded. At the same time it doesn't necessarily generate on time performance. You can be 30 minutes late at destination because you took an hour to get lunch on a 45 minute turn, but still get premium if you are underblock. That's crazy.

Beyond wasting gas by flying full out, crews have no control over the factors that contribute to earning premium. Whether you get premium has more to do with wx, ATC, rampers, ramp control, etc. than anything within a pilot's control. It doesn't reward the guys and gals who show real hustle out there, it just rewards those with good luck, good timing and a willingness to burn extra gas to go Mach .83.

Smartest thing to do is get rid of premium pay. No I didn't say take money from the pilots, just get rid of premium pay. It's not hard to figure out the annual average of premium pay and to roll it into the pilots' pay rates. No net cost to the company and no loss to the pilots. And no, that is not as substitue for any pay rate increases the pilots can negotiate. It is just a way to stop the wasteful practices that premium pay encourages.

 

[atrdriver]

Underblock is a ridiculous basis for compensation. It does not motivate crews to be efficient, nor to be on time. It just makes them fly faster making for waste. Sometimes being underblock means being on time, but just as often it means arriving early, which is not of any particular benefit to the company, but for which crews are equally rewarded. At the same time it doesn't necessarily generate on time performance. You can be 30 minutes late at destination because you took an hour to get lunch on a 45 minute turn, but still get premium if you are underblock. That's crazy.

Beyond wasting gas by flying full out, crews have no control over the factors that contribute to earning premium. Whether you get premium has more to do with wx, ATC, rampers, ramp control, etc. than anything within a pilot's control. It doesn't reward the guys and gals who show real hustle out there, it just rewards those with good luck, good timing and a willingness to burn extra gas to go Mach .83.

Smartest thing to do is get rid of premium pay. No I didn't say take money from the pilots, just get rid of premium pay. It's not hard to figure out the annual average of premium pay and to roll it into the pilots' pay rates. No net cost to the company and no loss to the pilots. And no, that is not as substitue for any pay rate increases the pilots can negotiate. It is just a way to stop the wasteful practices that premium pay encourages.

Premium does not encourage waste. Flying profile will still result in premium for most legs the way they are currently blocked. But taking it away will result in no incentive at all for the pilots to try to get back on schedule when a turn is scheduled too tight.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Who cares ... you guys will continue to complain no matter what the deal.

Grow up.

 

["GO AROUND"]

Who cares ... you guys will continue to complain no matter what the deal.

Grow up.

Hey Bobby,







YUCK FOU!
Must be nice to live in your world where everyhting is rose colored.

Sod off.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Certainly.

 

[D'Angelo]

Who cares ... you guys will continue to complain no matter what the deal.

Grow up.

Somebody buy this man a beer, finally someone who gets it! Your spot on with that observation my friend. The above statements are things typical pilots on here would say if you had said management is all eeeeeeeevilll union is all goooooood. We neeeeeed a lavish lifestyle. Its good to see people starting to think for themselves,

 

[captain caveman]

Somebody buy this man a beer

Why don't you just pass him your crackpipe?

 

["GO AROUND"]

Hey D,

See above for you too.

I know it's given you and the other knee pad wearing Comair pilots a serious case of the red a$$ knowing the FA's have more balls than you. But, noone cares anymore. Toddle off jr.

 

[fahlguy]

Somebody buy this man a beer, finally someone who gets it! Your spot on with that observation my friend. The above statements are things typical pilots on here would say if you had said management is all eeeeeeeevilll union is all goooooood. We neeeeeed a lavish lifestyle. Its good to see people starting to think for themselves,

Hey crackhead.....what exactly is it you think is lavish about living paycheck to paycheck??? I have a wife and 3 kids to suppport. I pack my food everyday I fly because I can't afford to buy 3 meals a day on the road. My budget does not include any extras. I don't go out on dates with my wife because I don't have the extra cash to hire a babysitter. Much less to pay for dinner and a movie. I'm curious how you can sit over there on your freakin soapbox saying we are whining about the contract. If you think you can make my life any better by cutting my pay down BELOW the poverty line, instead of AT the poverty line I'd love to see your ideas. The way I see it, all you seem capable of is spouting ********************E out of your pie hole~!@!!!! :angryfire

Oh and FYI, I've been here for 6 years....