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ALPA isn't nearly as strong as it thinks it is.

ALPA is only as strong as its members....so what does that say about you?
 
DoinTime said:
ALPA is only as strong as its members....so what does that say about you?

Well since most of the membership don't know who their reps are and what the difference is between LEC and MEC, I would say that it isn't very strong. Are you saying ALPA is strong right now? You are the one who is defending ALPA, so by all means, show me how it is strong.
 
Sinca3 said:
John,

2.....We are SUSPENDED maybe just maybe b/c the 2 sides...BOTH sides are too far apart. Negotiations are a game where the 2 sides meet in an agreeable middle. I haven't seen anywhere that the company has tried to meet anywhere in the middle.

Sinca3, can you honestly say that ALPA's 70 seat rate and Instructor sections positions are "middle of the road". If so please show me where those two postions are "middle of the road".
 
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just because you girls like to slap each other in the rear at the lil meetings...
....

Words from B-O-B
"dont listen to the DOOMESDAYERS they would have you believe blah, blah", (regarding Mr. Merchant ) at that meeting

he was offering facts where you fools were just saying and have been saying for ever same crap, NOTHING!!! and that was from apr05 meeting...

sign, grow, move on .
 
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JoeMerchant said:
Well since most of the membership don't know who their reps are and what the difference is between LEC and MEC, I would say that it isn't very strong. Are you saying ALPA is strong right now? You are the one who is defending ALPA, so by all means, show me how it is strong.

I know who my reps are. I know who you are. For the life of me, I can understand why we don't recall your ass, you non-job-doing waste of space.

What a cockhead.
 
FmrFreightDog said:
I know who my reps are. I know who you are. For the life of me, I can understand why we don't recall your ass, you non-job-doing waste of space.

What a cockhead.

Another pearl of wisdom from the ALPA cheerleader section. Feel free to start the recall.... you do know how to do it don't you? The ASA MEC doesn't want any RJDC supporters associated with it, therefor I am granting them their wish. When will you admit that ALPA has failed?
 
Question for you ASA guys. How in the hell, with a union, have you guys gone this long without getting a deal or striking? Any chance of dropping ALPA and creating your own union? I mean, what the hell is the point of a union if you can go 8 years without a new contract?
 
JoeMerchant said:
Sinca3, I have dealt personally with the NMB, have you? Recessed, suspended, and "parked" are all the same. We were "recessed", "suspended", and "parked" in 1998. I was there! We put an ALPA spin on it just as I suspect you will, but in the end we are still "parked". When are some of you going to start admitting that ALPA has FAILED. Put down the Herndon KoolAid.

Johnny,

Why don't you explain how little negotiating experience you really have? Your time on the "98" negotiating team was much less than any CNC member currently serving. You portray yourself as having spent a lot of time negotiating in front of the NMB. Actually ALPA and the Company were parked for a couple of months while you fiddled. The resolve of the ASA pilot group determined how long we were parked. The company asked to come back to the table because the operation was melting down. You were nothing more than a glorified order taker for the contract we work under today. You are the most disingenuous spin doctor I have ever witnessed. You write your own history and most of it is concocted. Your total experience was a few short months so stop doctoring your resume!

Boy toy, why don't you tell all your pro management bed wetter’s that you are terrified of a job action to get a descent contract? You and your girlfriend would both be out of work in the event of a Strike or A LOCK OUT! Aren’t you two overleveraged with your real estate holdings? Don’t you stand to lose your financial shirts so you have a decision to make! Scab or do everything in your power to convince those that have the balls to deliver a descent contract that they can't win! You fool none of us that know you. Your hatred for ALPA is legendary. You are an embarrassment to every pilot that carried your frightened weak a$$ in ‘98’ and now you and your Mommy have to make a tough decision. Scab or financial ruin! Well, John Boy, I guess we will not have to wait too long to find out how tough you really are? Don't worry too much because Mommy can go back over to management and keep you in beer money.

 
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ArtVandalay said:
Question for you ASA guys. How in the hell, with a union, have you guys gone this long without getting a deal or striking? Any chance of dropping ALPA and creating your own union? I mean, what the hell is the point of a union if you can go 8 years without a new contract?

I'm not an ASA guy but I was a Negotiating Committee Chairman in a former life. The reasons for ASA's lack of a legal job action have nothing to do with ALPA and everything to do with the current NMB situation. And management is in no rush to get a deal because they know they don't have to be in a rush since the credible threat of a strike is not there (again, due to the NMB situation).

-Neal
 
JoeMerchant said:
Well since most of the membership don't know who their reps are and what the difference is between LEC and MEC, I would say that it isn't very strong. Are you saying ALPA is strong right now? You are the one who is defending ALPA, so by all means, show me how it is strong.

Hey John B:
Why don't you go and throw one of your rjdc temper tantrums! Take any notes lately and not bring them back? You are worse than a school kid!
ALPA can only be as strong as its members, and with you on the MEC, there is NO WAY ASA will ever get a decent contract!
Now go and spank hiney's with your rjdc circle jerk of cadres and tell everyone how you are here to save the planet!
 
:angryfireWell I know that this is not a very professional way to react, but if they (The Company) expect me to help them in any way, they just LOST ANY CHANCE of that from me!!! I am so sick of this CRAP, they expect me to be professional and yet they treat us like this! Not RIGHT!!!!
 
JoeMerchant said:
So what do you propose ATRDriver? Maybe we should ask for $60 per hour for FOs. After all they may be FOs for a long time. What drives payrates ATRDriver? Is it what you want, what is "fair", or what the industry standard is? If it is the industry standard, maybe you should start asking ALPA how the industry standard degraded to this point.

ASA is currently the most profitable regional in the industry. That is something that you can't deny. Currently a 13.8 margin if I remember correctly. So PLEASE tell me why each and every one of our FO's should go the next 5 years, which is the duration the company is asking for, plus maybe another 3 or 4 for negotiations, without a raise of any kind. And why should the 50 seaters and ATR captains get only a 1.6% increase for those 8 years? The 50 seat pay is below industry standard. Maybe something will have to happen on the 70 rates, maybe not, but I don't see why I should not get a pay increase just so the company can make MORE money.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Sinca3, I have dealt personally with the NMB, have you? Recessed, suspended, and "parked" are all the same. We were "recessed", "suspended", and "parked" in 1998. I was there! We put an ALPA spin on it just as I suspect you will, but in the end we are still "parked". When are some of you going to start admitting that ALPA has FAILED. Put down the Herndon KoolAid.

And, according to our mediator, there is indeed a difference beetween "parked" and "recessed". If we are parked there is a fairly complicated process for negotiations to start again. Being recessed the mediator can make the decision himself to allow negotiations again if HE thinks there is hope for movement. Yes, that may be a minor distinction, but they are not the same thing. And that didn't come from ALPA, that came from the mediator, so I guess it's NMB kool aid.
 
Cant you guys (especially) the alpa blowhards (pi) not make personal attacks bacause someone sees it differently.

Atrdriver - management is not stalling anymore - and hasnt for the last 6 months. No excuse for the previous 2.5 but they need a contract now, for growth and business. they need it yesterday actually. and profits dont mean pay raises or else southwest guys would make 300 an hour. if we want future business we need to have competitive rates. profit sharing is where we would catch some of the earnings. ja says our rates arent good - and he owns just about every plane we fly (all of the big streched jet ones anyway).

alpa is asking for a full retirement - i dont want one! i havnt yet met one pilot here who does, ask any delta, united, northwest, usair pilot what they think of theirs.

stop attacking everyone and have a freakin discussion. oh, by the way, if you think that merchant, 79, me and a few others are the only pissed folks - have a great day. alpa may have just cost a lot of jobs and alot of money, how about this - i can get over 2 percent of my pay back by dropping union shop!
 
Here is my only question. SKYW pilots make more than us. So why not just go for the SKYW contract?

Note: Please answer this without the usual ALPA response, "Crash, you managment sucking, Kool Aid drinking, a$$hole... DIE and burn in h%ll"... That type of response is less than informative.
 
Wimps

I left ASA over a year ago. I knew we would never get a good contract.. You know why!!! I have never (as a whole) seen a bigger bunch of wimps in my life. Management knows you guys will cave. I have never worked at a place with more company boys who were so afraid of getting in trouble. I would even witness captains paying off fuelers so they could be on time. Nothing will change until you get a set.

Look at the above posts. What do you care what other airlines make? Why would you even speak the words industry standard? Get the best you can. ASA pilots have no respect in their company. Crew scheduling even calls you by your first name when they call you. I know this is petty, but it has to start somewhere. GROW A SET!!
 
JoeMerchant said:
Sinca3, can you honestly say that ALPA's 70 seat rate and Instructor sections positions are "middle of the road". If so please show me where those two postions are "middle of the road".
I know it's hard but PUT DOWN THE BEER!!! Reread what I wrote. I said the 2 sides need to meet in the middle. Therefore to do that both sides ask for more than they think they can get and widdle down to the "middle".
For someone with so much exprience I thought you would have known how negotiations work.............
I guess not
 
Question is why do you guys want growth so bad? Like really, where are you going to go? There are only a small handful of airlines worth a crap that are hiring, do you think that you will be one of the lucky ones to get on there? Remember that you will be competing against all the military guys that have ex squadron buds already there that are trying to get them on there too. You are better off trying to get more pay and bigger jets at your regional since that is where almost all of you will retire from.
 
Well screw it! Strike now and take the whole boat down. Sorry about the SKYWEST guys and girls but they have should stood behind the ASA employees and if not shut them down too. I am tired of these c@!ksucking Skywest pilots period.
 

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