ASA Negotiations Suspended Indefinitely

[AVoiceOfReason]

No, you just wish it was a majority. It doesn't take a math genius to figure out that half our pilots are FO's, and they have been asked by the company to take either a pay freeze or a cut and then a freeze for the next 8 or so years. Then throw in the 70 Capts that have been asked to take a cut, and the instructors who have been asked to take a huge cuy, and that is the majority of pilots. I don't think you will find a whole lot of those guys looking to hug management right now.

I'm not going to hug management either. Some of you are really hugging ALPA however. Won't those FOs make more if they upgrade? Staying in the right seat won't help out there pay.

 

[ASARJMan]

Won't those FOs make more if they upgrade?

Duh, gee ya think Scotty? Keep trying to stir 'em up Scooty boy. Not working too well though when you want to cut FO pay does it Scotty boy?

 

[D'Angelo]

I'm not going to hug management either. Some of you are really hugging ALPA however. Won't those FOs make more if they upgrade? Staying in the right seat won't help out there pay.

Absolutely correct. ALPA seems to think otherwise. They prefer being stagnant and having outlandish contracts. If you meet in the middle everyone gets a raise. Plus you already get a yearly raise....

 

[atrdriver]

Absolutely correct. ALPA seems to think otherwise. They prefer being stagnant and having outlandish contracts. If you meet in the middle everyone gets a raise. Plus you already get a yearly raise....

Oh yeah, and those concessions that you bent over for got you a LOT of new growth, didn't it?

 

[atrdriver]

I'm not going to hug management either. Some of you are really hugging ALPA however. Won't those FOs make more if they upgrade? Staying in the right seat won't help out there pay.

Yes, obviously you will make more if you upgrade. But what exactly makes you think that taking a paycut will get us more growth? CMR tried it, and it certainly didn't work for them. So you vote in those concessions, or take that freeze, and then we still don't get growth, what do you do then?

 

[D'Angelo]

Oh yeah, and those concessions that you bent over for got you a LOT of new growth, didn't it?

Not yet that remains to be seen. We did however save our jobs.

 

[WWEfan]

We did however save our jobs.

That, D, remains to be seen.

 

[SuperKooter]

Alpa is a bigger threat to aviation than Osama is.

 

[WWEfan]

Alpa is a bigger threat to aviation than Osama is.

This is flame and you should be shot for even joking about it. I wonder how many of the 9/11 victims' families would agree with you. Idiot.

 

[SuperKooter]

This is flame and you should be shot for even joking about it. I wonder how many of the 9/11 victims' families would agree with you. Idiot.

Alpa hurts our profession more than any terrorist attack ever could. ASA didn't lose any flying because of 9/11 but will due to Alpa

 

[WWEfan]

Alpa hurts our profession more than any terrorist attack ever could. ASA didn't lose any flying because of 9/11 but will due to Alpa

Delta lost a crapload of flying. They were 10,000 pilots strong pre-9/11. Now roughly 7,000. I have no idea about the labor forces of the other majors, but I'm sure their reductions are similar. You really need to think before you spew this garbage.

 

[CFIT]

Skywest will place those airplanes whereever it is less expensive to do so OR wherever it gives them the most leverage - against the ASA union.

The Skywest pilots writing in these forums don't seem to grasp that what happens to ASA will ultimately happen to them too. If ASA sells out and low balls, Skywest will be next.

This is about power and money. They don't take from ASA now because they can't just do it without your consent. Once you settle, they CAN do it without the SKYW pilots consent, and they will.

They're playing you against each other AND against everybody else in search of the lowest common denominator. That's the game. They make the rules and right now they are winning the game.

Smell the coffee.

It's not all about pilot costs, I know I make more than the same year ASA pilot.

But, if you are pissed now, wait to see what happens in a few days......

 

[viper01]

CFIT
Enlighten us.....what happens in a few days?

 

[FmrFreightDog]

It's not all about pilot costs, I know I make more than the same year ASA pilot.

But, if you are pissed now, wait to see what happens in a few days......

And that would be what, pray tell? You seem to know a lot for a sewer-pipe driver.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Delta lost a crapload of flying. They were 10,000 pilots strong pre-9/11. Now roughly 7,000. I have no idea about the labor forces of the other majors, but I'm sure their reductions are similar. You really need to think before you spew this garbage.

Delta's pilot losses were not due to 9/11. They are the result of ALPA's exclusionary scope policy.

If the Delta pilots had not fought the PID request made by the ASA and Comair MEC's in 1999, their numbers would currently be over 10,000.

It would not surprise me that in a few days we will hear that the -900/705's will be operated by Skywest and that there is a displacement bid coming down.