ASA July lines...

[Data]

You know guys, if it's too hard on you and you aren't up to the task, you can always quit.

 

[777forever]

You know guys, if it's too hard on you and you aren't up to the task, you can always quit.

Bingo!

 

[SLUF4]

wow...an attitude like that is the reason we are in this mess in the first place

 

[JoeMerchant]

wow...an attitude like that is the reason we are in this mess in the first place

This mess was caused by adding flying on short notice during the busiest time of the year while having to worry about our Delta reset in Sept. The previous two posts are correct. If it makes you miserable, you can always seek greener pastures.

 

[SLUF4]

so you are happy with the way things are? you're basically willing to do anything to make the company grow-what are your limits?

 

[buscap]

This mess was caused by adding flying on short notice during the busiest time of the year while having to worry about our Delta reset in Sept. The previous two posts are correct. If it makes you miserable, you can always seek greener pastures.

Well, it won't make me miserable, but it also will not work.

Hindsight is worth a bunch, but poor decision making in the recent past will most likely haunt us dearly for the next three months. Delta is very much at fault, putting us in a shrinking lift provider trend, not to mention tearing up half our D gates during a busy time of the year in ATL.

The schedules will not work and our performance will suffer. Pilots, FAs, and underwing will be stressed, providing terrible customer service during the hottest months in the ATL.

And such situations will increase the possibility of accidents, or hopefully mere incidents.

Now granted, the decisions made at Skywest Inc/ASA were made with the best intel at the time, which was pointing toward a different situation than we have today, for things are actually looking up.

I would definitely rather be whining about this situation than the other, but QOL is gonna suck for the next few months. And it will suck proportional to seniority, so don't be surprised if someone else feels compelled to whine a little more than your senior butt!!!!

 

[SLUF4]

Yeah, but we pilots on the front lines-especially reserves-have been warning of low staffing for quite a long time. Probably since last summer or at least the holidays. Nobody listened and here we are in this situation.

 

[BIGGOAT]

If you click on the operational performance tab on the home page of ourasa, you can see the number/percentge of cancelled flights. Click on that and you will see that some are for lack of crews. Bringing the furloughs back will help on the FO side but it will not help with the left seat. It takes 5-6 weeks to train someone and then you are at the end of summer.

Goat

 

[johnsonrod]

Wow, how times have changed... While you guys are working your a$$es off and complaining bitterly to no avail, many Compass and Mesaba pilots are preparing to flow up to Mother Delta. ASA use to be one of the better routes to a major (certainly better than Comair after the 9/11 hiring debacle) and now you guys are shat on. Things change quickly in this business...

 

[crj567]

You know guys, if it's too hard on you and you aren't up to the task, you can always quit.

This is the exact mindset which has caused numerous crews to fly perfectly good airplanes right into the ground.... No one is a freaking robot-some people just can't fly two 6 leg days with 9 hour overnight in the middle safely.. If you think you can-just go right ahead-it will catch up with you sooner or later. No problem with fatigue when you are dead! (Glass half full-just like you KoolAid kids enjoy!)

-If you think you are invulnerable to fatigue, knock yourself out. I prefer to be more honest with myself.

 

[ohplease!]

Wow, how times have changed... While you guys are working your a$$es off and complaining bitterly to no avail, many Compass and Mesaba pilots are preparing to flow up to Mother Delta. ASA use to be one of the better routes to a major (certainly better than Comair after the 9/11 hiring debacle) and now you guys are shat on. Things change quickly in this business...

Remember you said that.....

Oh yeah, be VERY careful what you wish for.....

 

[SLUF4]

we've been around and around with the fatigue issue on here and some people just think money is more important. they are willing to fly until they fall asleep to be 'efficient'. the problem with fatigue is that you don't have to be physically asleep for it to affect you and jeopardize safety.

 

[Data]

we've been around and around with the fatigue issue on here and some people just think money is more important. they are willing to fly until they fall asleep to be 'efficient'. the problem with fatigue is that you don't have to be physically asleep for it to affect you and jeopardize safety.

Yeah, that's all part of the being 'professional' thing that most of know how to take into account, the last thing we need is a reminder on a web forum to 'fly safe' and 'not fly tired'.

 

[SLUF4]

Well have fun next month then

 

[CFI2766]

Yeah, that's all part of the being 'professional' thing that most of know how to take into account, the last thing we need is a reminder on a web forum to 'fly safe' and 'not fly tired'.

Respectfully, wholly, disagree. You are just plain wrong with this sentiment.

Clearly, no one is advocating an illegal job action. Just as clearly, a RJ in the dirt with the loss of 53 lives will not enhance our position in the market place. That is what 'professional' is all about: having the fortitude to not be influenced by outside factors to do something unsafe.

Frankly, the company has demonstrated it's position on safety with its treatment of reserve crews. The fatiguing schedules that the reserves are enduring are obviously not assigned by the company with a respect for safety. For people that like to throw the word 'professional' around when referring to a suggested mindset of the airline pilot, I point to the actions of the corporate offices and scheduling departments of airlines as a neon example of what 'professional' is not.

 

[screamingpax]

Regardless of who is at fault, there are 400 or so pilots for 294 lines on the 200. That is 1 in 4 pilots on reserve. That is pathetic, especially when you consider why we REALLY have reserve pilots. And if 1 in 4 pilots are calling in sick there is no doubt that these high workload months with limited time off are to blame.

 

[twott driver]

anyone notice now much of the UA flying is included in the 200 lines out of ATL? Clearly way understaffed there as well.

 

[Av8trix616]

Regardless of who is at fault, there are 400 or so pilots for 294 lines on the 200. That is 1 in 4 pilots on reserve. That is pathetic, especially when you consider why we REALLY have reserve pilots. And if 1 in 4 pilots are calling in sick there is no doubt that these high workload months with limited time off are to blame.

But but... then they couldn't operate the schedule and open time with complete control over 25% of the pilots schedules. And if all the reserves are operating the schedule, well, then we'll have red arrows cause no one is available to cover sick calls and irops. Then we'll beg for more reserves to alleviate red arrows.. who will then operate the schedule...leaving none for sick calls and irops...

The problem isn't the red arrows, they're a symptom. The problem is having a huge force of reserves who operate known open time, creating an artificially high number of "reserves required" per day and the associated red arrows. The company started to use reserves to fly known open time right about the time the red arrows became so prolific.

 

[Abernathy]

This mess was caused by adding flying on short notice during the busiest time of the year while having to worry about our Delta reset in Sept. The previous two posts are correct. If it makes you miserable, you can always seek greener pastures.

Hey Joe,

How much time did you spend on reserve?

 

[Data]

Respectfully, wholly, disagree. You are just plain wrong with this sentiment.

So you need reminders in this forum to help you determine when scheduling is pushing you too hard?