ASA JCBA: Longterm reserve pilot relief provision

[777forever]

Doing the survey. This is a juicy one. I support this provision!

Would you support a provision that would provide relief for people who can only hold reserve for long periods of time? For example, once in a given number of months a reserve would be given a regular or relief line and a senior pilot would be given reserve.

 

[Raoul Duke]

that is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. You are on reserve for a resaon - i.e. you are junior

 

[Master Shake]

As a Captain on reserve for 3.5 years, I voted no to this tidbit. Seniority is what it is. When my number is finally up and I am no longer scheduling's bitch, I don't need "fair and balanced seniority" to come in and wipe that gain away.

 

[aa30]

FWIW, and that's nothing, I too selected "against" that proposition. I've been on reserve the better part of 4 years, and it is what it is. Hopefully no one else has to endure for that long, but such is the nature of the beast. Being junior sucks. Get over it.

 

[Max Q]

ASA and the entire airline industry is unnaturally stagnant. Things will improve.

I vote no.

 

[Baronman]

I don't see a problem for some relief for people on reserve long-term. Being "Jr" doesn't necessarily mean being new. Why should any pilot have to endure years of reserve treatment when a simple provision like this could make it more palatable.

What happened to helping everyone out? Helping pulling the bottom up when you can? The attitude I see is, "It's not my problem, I won't give up any of my bargaining capital for someone hired even a day after me." Nice attitude.

 

[maxcackel]

No, what needs to be done is huge improvements to reserve. 13-15 days off, no calling then told to "stand by for an hour" every time your done (expressjet does not have to call just check computer), ability to pick up open time(expressjet has this), ability to pass to next junior reserve, no more than five days on, no ready reserve till midnight on your last day on, no short call on long call, moved days off paid at 150%, pay protection for cx or removed portions of a trip(start a 20hr 4 day then they gut it to 11hr 3 day) expressjet has this, nothing scheduled past 8pm your last night on, can't fly you till midnight-1am for a couple of days then flop you to 4-5am the next 3 days. Most of this is quality of life stuff. What they did to me and the rest of the 50 captains this summer is unacceptable. I want to work while I'm in Atl but not be abused and beaten to a puddle physically and mentally.

 

[SLUF4]

i agree with maxcackel

 

[sweptback]

I don't see a problem for some relief for people on reserve long-term. Being "Jr" doesn't necessarily mean being new. Why should any pilot have to endure years of reserve treatment when a simple provision like this could make it more palatable.

What happened to helping everyone out? Helping pulling the bottom up when you can? The attitude I see is, "It's not my problem, I won't give up any of my bargaining capital for someone hired even a day after me." Nice attitude.

So 10 years from now when you're a senior pilot, you would want to sit a month or two a year on reserve? Don't think so.

 

[sweptback]

Also, for everybody except a new-hire, reserve is not forced upon anybody.

Anybody on the CR7 on reserve can usually hold a line on the CR2. Any ATL pilot on reserve (seriously, any pilot) can hold a line in IAD. Any captain on reserve could have stayed a senior FO.

 

[the palm]

i agree with maxcackel

Maxcackel is an idiot. If you agree with him.....

I'm sorry reserve sucks. Actually I'm not sorry. I expect it to suck. That's why I waited til I could hold a line before I upgraded. Yeah I know I can go from lineholder to reserve at the snap of SH's fingers, but I'll deal with that when it happens. I have no intention of "helping" those less fortunate than me by socializing line/reserve bidding. Thanks for the heads up. I'm gonna go fill out my survey right now and cancel out your vote. I hope the negotiators don't waste a dime on reserve improvements.

This may sound harsh, but you will agree with me someday when you make it off reserve.

 

[Plainsman]

ASA's contract sucks. It needs alot of work and I am glad express is on its way. I am sorry you reserve guys got the brunt of last summer, but help change the process. You guys know best what was bad about it.

 

[No Delay]

Maxcackle actually has some good points.

Just because you are not on reserve doesn't mean you shouldn't want to improve our reserve system.

We should want to see all areas of our contract improved. I hope all of us will see some quality of life improvements in our next contract.

 

[the palm]

Just because you are not on reserve doesn't mean you shouldn't want to improve our reserve system.

Ummm....That's exactly what I'm saying. If it doesn't affect me I don't care.

 

[LazyLightnin']

Ummm....That's exactly what I'm saying. If it doesn't affect me I don't care.

You should be on the MEC.

 

[Data]

Doing the survey. This is a juicy one. I support this provision!

Why don't we just make everyone equal and we can fly all 3 planes in both seats. Sorry trip, completely against ya on this one!

 

[gator_hater]

I added it up the other day and to my surprise I've been on reserve more months than not in the last 6+ years. I vote with Max on this one change the system so that it is better for us long time reserve guys. If we got ALL those provisions you might see a few more senior guys bid reserve a couple months a year just to change things up a little. Get half or more of those proposals and QOL of the reserve guys goes up tremendously. Seniority rules and socializing schedules is a bad idea but fixing it for those who have to suffer through it is a great idea.

 

[Cpt Oveur]

improve the seniority system, don't pass on a crappy system to other pilots. Hold scheduling's feet to the fire. Pay credits above guarantee if an off day is move, if they can't negotiate all days golden days. Four hour ready reserve. Improved bucket list clarification.

 

[jstyle13]

Ya hopefully we get most of Express Jet's reserve rules because ours here at ASA suck. And as another guy that's done 3.5 years of reserve there's no way I want this stupid relief provision. Once I'm finally off RES I don't wanna have to do another month or two per year. Screw that.

 

[79%N1]

Put me down for what max said. Thats all going in my survey....