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ASA Hiring, according to Air Inc.

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ASA Hiring More, according to Air Inc.

ASA still hiring for more than attrition according to Air Inc.'s numbers.

Could, maybe, be good news ;)




Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) plans to interview on-site during AIR, Inc.'s Airline Pilot Job Fair on Saturday, May 19th and give testing and Simulator evaluations on Sunday, May 20th.​

ASA has hired 159 pilots so far this year and plans on hiring an additional 40 - 50 pilots a month through 2007. For information on ASA's minimums and qualifications or to apply online, visit​

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The rumor I'm hearing is that we're scrambling to find sim time. For what, I don't know... unless maybe SkyWest is taking over our sims again.
 
I was talking to one of the night shift leads in MCN the other day, and he said they had been told to expect 20+ 700s to be converted to our certificate in the very near future, FWIW. Guy's a friend of mine and he hasn't given me bad info yet, so I'll hold off on the doom and gloom for the moment.
 
I saw a bunch of Brazilia's in new Delta colors in Hot springs the other day
 
Well, I'll tell ya whats going on. Over 150 have resigned since the beginning of the year. Scattered from the whole list. Currently, training has fallen apart. The quality of our latest new hires can not make it through the program in 8 sims. The average is around 12 according to our IP's. Most are flunking out. According to some inside sources, only 10 pilots made it to the line last month. Thats out of their class of 40. We need 30 to hit the line to keep up with attrition. We are about 75 short. In addition, the maturity of some 20 year old, 400 hour kids are not getting recommended past CPT's. They simply are not ready for this business. Our IP's are on overload. IOE is backed up for weeks. Partly due to most Check Airmen are moving on to other airlines and most new hires can't be signed off in the minimum time. Once the new contract gets signed, the Check Airmen will only make a few hundred a month over just flying the line. Look for all to quit the Standards Dept between a TA (whenever we get one) and member ratification. Also, heard rumblings that another airline offered thousands of dollars to a whole new-hire class for anyone to come over after they finished ASA's training program.

Bottom line, our management has had their eye off the ball too long and a perfect storm has brewed. I used to think we were being played, but I am now convinced that our leadership is completely incompetent.
 
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ASApuppy said:
Also, heard rumblings that another airline offered thousands of dollars to a whole new-hire class for anyone to come over after they finished ASA's training program.
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I heard it was Delta. They have been hiring over-qualified, 1,800 hour, future chief pilots.
 
ASApuppy said:
Well, I'll tell ya whats going on. Over 150 have resigned since the beginning of the year. Scattered from the whole list. Currently, training has fallen apart. The quality of our latest new hires can not make it through the program in 8 sims. The average is around 12 according to our IP's. Most are flunking out. According to some inside sources, only 10 pilots made it to the line last month. Thats out of their class of 40. We need 30 to hit the line to keep up with attrition. We are about 75 short. In addition, the maturity of some 20 year old, 400 hour kids are not getting recommended past CPT's. They simply are not ready for this business. Our IP's are on overload. IOE is backed up for weeks. Partly due to most Check Airmen are moving on to other airlines and most new hires can't be signed off in the minimum time. Once the new contract gets signed, the Check Airmen will only make a few hundred a month over just flying the line. Look for all to quit the Standards Dept between a TA (whenever we get one) and member ratification. Also, heard rumblings that another airline offered thousands of dollars to a whole new-hire class for anyone to come over after they finished ASA's training program.

Bottom line, our management has had their eye off the ball too long and a perfect storm has brewed. I used to think we were being played, but I am now convinced that our leadership is completely incompetent.
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Ummmm...not to burst your bubble or anything, but only one person has washed out of training from the CPTs, and at most two have washed out from the sim training in the last few months. (I can get more specific and accurate numbers for you tomorrow.) In NO WAY are MOST not making it to the line. It is true that the average footprint and average hours/cycles have gone up, but what do you expect from new hires with such little time.

I don't think that training has fallen apart, we are just hiring very inexperienced candidates at the moment, and they are requiring more training. It is completely expected, and anticipated.

As far as the LCPs go, yes they are leaving at a record pace, largely because Majors love to hire the best from the pilot group. (Who better to hire than instructors.) Yes, as long as the majors are hiring we will continue to see such attrition. It is natural, and has no bearing on the health of ASA.

To the new guys, and people who care, none of this has anything to do with the health or potential future of ASA. It has to do with the regional and major hiring environment as a whole. Don't listen to these inflamatory posts that are all doom and gloom. They are just in it for the drama, or for the purpose of making themselves look important.
 
Look for a lot more 700 to come to ATL. Where they will go is anyones guess, but DAL wants to get rid of a lot of the 50 seat lift that they currently have. Rumor is that they have inked a deal with Bombardier to trade in a 50 for every 70 and 90 they take delivery of.
Delta has not intention of getting ride of ASA. That would be a SKW deal. I would venture to guess that at worst it will be a name change and a few other cosmetic things. Look for the attrition to keep rising as DAL and others starts to hire more and more.
Best of luck guys, it was a good place with the same old problems. It sounds like a typical airline to me.
 
puppy - check your facts. standards has seen an increase in resumes since new LCPs can now remain on line when they finish training. according to the head IPs at FSI only threes new hire this year have washed out, though several required additional training they said it has been better than expected.

asa's performance lately has been great - granted the weather has been real good. the reason for the increase in hiring is the increase in summer block hours. we are going to see a record increase in block hours for our fleet this summer. things will slow down big time in september but by then delta will start converting the 50s of ours they own to 700s or greater. we stand a good chance provided our contract gets finished of getting those conversions - but of course its up to Jer.
 
Well SH sent out a memo that said voluntary premium might be gone next month... A bold face lie or an indication that we are getting staffed.

I don't see growth. I think growth at the regionals has topped out. Attrition is where movement is going to come from.

I know we all want to believe that a 200 hour pilot can't do this job. What the airlines are about to discover is that they can. They are eager to please and are trying there hardest. Expect this discovery to bite us in the a$$ in a couple years.
 
Crash Pad said:
Well SH sent out a memo that said voluntary premium might be gone next month... A bold face lie or an indication that we are getting staffed.
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Yeah Scott has never been miss informed or spoken an un-truth.

"Skywest is taking our 700's in SLC, but we are gettting a one-to-one swap on these planes for new 900's."
 
Crash Pad said:
I know we all want to believe that a 200 hour pilot can't do this job. What the airlines are about to discover is that they can. They are eager to please and are trying there hardest. Expect this discovery to bite us in the a$$ in a couple years.
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I Somewhat disagree. I believe that the pilot shortage is here. There are not enough people willing to pay $50,000 for training only to get a job paying less than $20,000. And the payoff in the end is gone too. The days of making $300,000/yr working 8 days a month are over.

Yes the job is great, but the payoff is gone. Slowly the ball is coming back in the court of the pilots again (ie..look at whats going on at AMR) Pay will start going back up and things will start swinging back the other way..although I don't think they will get back to where they were.
 
There is no shortage of pilots. There is a shortage of high time, qualified pilots who can easily pass training and upgrade as soon as seniority allows.

There will always be a steady stream of low timers with SJS or high time GA pilots who have enough money to afford the pay just to say they got to fly a jet for an airline. Hiring will continue.
 
GearUpLightsIn said:
"Skywest is taking our 700's in SLC, but we are getting a one-to-one swap on these planes for new 900's."
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That was the plan. Unfortunately we are not in delta's the cost range for that aircraft. If ALPA would stop asking for the moon we could settle this contract and get back to growing.

Scott
 

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