ASA Hiring, according to Air Inc.

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ASA Hiring More, according to Air Inc.

ASA still hiring for more than attrition according to Air Inc.'s numbers.

Could, maybe, be good news

ASA - Air Wisconsin - Champion Air Interviewing Pilots DuringJob Fair in ATL on May 19​

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Atlantic Southeast Airlines (ASA) plans to interview on-site during AIR, Inc.'s Airline Pilot Job Fair on Saturday, May 19th and give testing and Simulator evaluations on Sunday, May 20th.​

ASA has hired 159 pilots so far this year and plans on hiring an additional 40 - 50 pilots a month through 2007. For information on ASA's minimums and qualifications or to apply online, visit​

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[Speedtape]

ASA still hiring for more than attrition according to Air Inc.'s numbers.

Could, maybe, be good news

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GROWTH is coming.

 

[JoeMerchant]

GROWTH is coming.

That would be good Speedtape.... don't you think.... Are we still going to "shut'er down"???

 

[SPDBRD747400]

GROWTH is coming.

With all the bad news and no progress with our contract I hope your right!

 

[sweptback]

The rumor I'm hearing is that we're scrambling to find sim time. For what, I don't know... unless maybe SkyWest is taking over our sims again.

 

[FmrFreightDog]

I was talking to one of the night shift leads in MCN the other day, and he said they had been told to expect 20+ 700s to be converted to our certificate in the very near future, FWIW. Guy's a friend of mine and he hasn't given me bad info yet, so I'll hold off on the doom and gloom for the moment.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I saw a bunch of Brazilia's in new Delta colors in Hot springs the other day

 

[ASApuppy]

Well, I'll tell ya whats going on. Over 150 have resigned since the beginning of the year. Scattered from the whole list. Currently, training has fallen apart. The quality of our latest new hires can not make it through the program in 8 sims. The average is around 12 according to our IP's. Most are flunking out. According to some inside sources, only 10 pilots made it to the line last month. Thats out of their class of 40. We need 30 to hit the line to keep up with attrition. We are about 75 short. In addition, the maturity of some 20 year old, 400 hour kids are not getting recommended past CPT's. They simply are not ready for this business. Our IP's are on overload. IOE is backed up for weeks. Partly due to most Check Airmen are moving on to other airlines and most new hires can't be signed off in the minimum time. Once the new contract gets signed, the Check Airmen will only make a few hundred a month over just flying the line. Look for all to quit the Standards Dept between a TA (whenever we get one) and member ratification. Also, heard rumblings that another airline offered thousands of dollars to a whole new-hire class for anyone to come over after they finished ASA's training program.

Bottom line, our management has had their eye off the ball too long and a perfect storm has brewed. I used to think we were being played, but I am now convinced that our leadership is completely incompetent.

 

[jonjuan]

Also, heard rumblings that another airline offered thousands of dollars to a whole new-hire class for anyone to come over after they finished ASA's training program.

I heard it was Delta. They have been hiring over-qualified, 1,800 hour, future chief pilots.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Well, I'll tell ya whats going on. Over 150 have resigned since the beginning of the year. Scattered from the whole list. Currently, training has fallen apart. The quality of our latest new hires can not make it through the program in 8 sims. The average is around 12 according to our IP's. Most are flunking out. According to some inside sources, only 10 pilots made it to the line last month. Thats out of their class of 40. We need 30 to hit the line to keep up with attrition. We are about 75 short. In addition, the maturity of some 20 year old, 400 hour kids are not getting recommended past CPT's. They simply are not ready for this business. Our IP's are on overload. IOE is backed up for weeks. Partly due to most Check Airmen are moving on to other airlines and most new hires can't be signed off in the minimum time. Once the new contract gets signed, the Check Airmen will only make a few hundred a month over just flying the line. Look for all to quit the Standards Dept between a TA (whenever we get one) and member ratification. Also, heard rumblings that another airline offered thousands of dollars to a whole new-hire class for anyone to come over after they finished ASA's training program.

Bottom line, our management has had their eye off the ball too long and a perfect storm has brewed. I used to think we were being played, but I am now convinced that our leadership is completely incompetent.

Ummmm...not to burst your bubble or anything, but only one person has washed out of training from the CPTs, and at most two have washed out from the sim training in the last few months. (I can get more specific and accurate numbers for you tomorrow.) In NO WAY are MOST not making it to the line. It is true that the average footprint and average hours/cycles have gone up, but what do you expect from new hires with such little time.

I don't think that training has fallen apart, we are just hiring very inexperienced candidates at the moment, and they are requiring more training. It is completely expected, and anticipated.

As far as the LCPs go, yes they are leaving at a record pace, largely because Majors love to hire the best from the pilot group. (Who better to hire than instructors.) Yes, as long as the majors are hiring we will continue to see such attrition. It is natural, and has no bearing on the health of ASA.

To the new guys, and people who care, none of this has anything to do with the health or potential future of ASA. It has to do with the regional and major hiring environment as a whole. Don't listen to these inflamatory posts that are all doom and gloom. They are just in it for the drama, or for the purpose of making themselves look important.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Look for a lot more 700 to come to ATL. Where they will go is anyones guess, but DAL wants to get rid of a lot of the 50 seat lift that they currently have. Rumor is that they have inked a deal with Bombardier to trade in a 50 for every 70 and 90 they take delivery of.
Delta has not intention of getting ride of ASA. That would be a SKW deal. I would venture to guess that at worst it will be a name change and a few other cosmetic things. Look for the attrition to keep rising as DAL and others starts to hire more and more.
Best of luck guys, it was a good place with the same old problems. It sounds like a typical airline to me.

 

[crjskipper]

puppy - check your facts. standards has seen an increase in resumes since new LCPs can now remain on line when they finish training. according to the head IPs at FSI only threes new hire this year have washed out, though several required additional training they said it has been better than expected.

asa's performance lately has been great - granted the weather has been real good. the reason for the increase in hiring is the increase in summer block hours. we are going to see a record increase in block hours for our fleet this summer. things will slow down big time in september but by then delta will start converting the 50s of ours they own to 700s or greater. we stand a good chance provided our contract gets finished of getting those conversions - but of course its up to Jer.

 

[jeroom]

GROWTH is coming.

What kind of growth are you tlaking about? maybe the mold growth in the crew loundge? I guess that's what it is...

 

[Crash Pad]

Well SH sent out a memo that said voluntary premium might be gone next month... A bold face lie or an indication that we are getting staffed.

I don't see growth. I think growth at the regionals has topped out. Attrition is where movement is going to come from.

I know we all want to believe that a 200 hour pilot can't do this job. What the airlines are about to discover is that they can. They are eager to please and are trying there hardest. Expect this discovery to bite us in the a$$ in a couple years.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

Well SH sent out a memo that said voluntary premium might be gone next month... A bold face lie or an indication that we are getting staffed.

Yeah Scott has never been miss informed or spoken an un-truth.

"Skywest is taking our 700's in SLC, but we are gettting a one-to-one swap on these planes for new 900's."

 

[Crash Pad]

Like I said a bold faced lie or we are getting staffed.

 

[FL990]

I know we all want to believe that a 200 hour pilot can't do this job. What the airlines are about to discover is that they can. They are eager to please and are trying there hardest. Expect this discovery to bite us in the a$$ in a couple years.

I Somewhat disagree. I believe that the pilot shortage is here. There are not enough people willing to pay $50,000 for training only to get a job paying less than $20,000. And the payoff in the end is gone too. The days of making $300,000/yr working 8 days a month are over.

Yes the job is great, but the payoff is gone. Slowly the ball is coming back in the court of the pilots again (ie..look at whats going on at AMR) Pay will start going back up and things will start swinging back the other way..although I don't think they will get back to where they were.

 

[John Pennekamp]

There is no shortage of pilots. There is a shortage of high time, qualified pilots who can easily pass training and upgrade as soon as seniority allows.

There will always be a steady stream of low timers with SJS or high time GA pilots who have enough money to afford the pay just to say they got to fly a jet for an airline. Hiring will continue.

 

[www.]

ASA still hiring for more than attrition according to Air Inc.'s numbers.

Could, maybe, be good news

They are hiring 10 over the attrition rate.

 

[Scott Holl]

"Skywest is taking our 700's in SLC, but we are getting a one-to-one swap on these planes for new 900's."

That was the plan. Unfortunately we are not in delta's the cost range for that aircraft. If ALPA would stop asking for the moon we could settle this contract and get back to growing.

Scott

 

[www.]

puppy - check your facts. standards has seen an increase in resumes since new LCPs can now remain on line when they finish training. according to the head IPs at FSI only threes new hire this year have washed out, though several required additional training they said it has been better than expected.

asa's performance lately has been great - granted the weather has been real good. the reason for the increase in hiring is the increase in summer block hours. we are going to see a record increase in block hours for our fleet this summer. things will slow down big time in september but by then delta will start converting the 50s of ours they own to 700s or greater. we stand a good chance provided our contract gets finished of getting those conversions - but of course its up to Jer.

From MJ's office, she has processed out 4 ground school busts and a cpt.

 

[John Pennekamp]

That was the plan. Unfortunately we are not in delta's the cost range for that aircraft. If ALPA would stop asking for the moon we could settle this contract and get back to growing.

Scott

You aren't as funny as the original Scott Hall impersonator. Give it up.

 

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I know we all want to believe that a 200 hour pilot can't do this job. What the airlines are about to discover is that they can. They are eager to please and are trying there hardest. Expect this discovery to bite us in the a$$ in a couple years.

An autopilot can fly the airplane better than any of us the minute you plug it in. It's very first approach is perfect.

The reason pilots are on the airplane is for their decision making ability. Only a pilot can look at a contaminated runway, the winds, the aircraft's weight, airport layout, deferrals that effect performance and make a judgment call. Only a pilot can perform a close in approach in visual conditions. Only pilots know the difference between "expedite" and "unstable." Only pilots can deal with a bride who is in tears because your airline says she can not carry her wedding dress on the airplane.

200 hour pilots can fly an RJ sim. A very few can actually fly an airplane to almost a level that I would call basic proficiency. But, it puts all the decision making on the Captain. There is very little redundancy in the brains department.

There is a reason why ASA pays senior Captains $104 an hour and new hires $19 an hour. There is also a good reason not to pair Newly Qualified Pilots together. Experience, if properly applied with the right attitude, is the most important safety feature of an aircraft.

 

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From MJ's office, she has processed out 4 ground school busts and a cpt.

Heck, the class ahead of mine only passed 5 out of 12 on the E120.

 

[JoeMerchant]

An autopilot can fly the airplane better than any of us the minute you plug it in. It's very first approach is perfect.

The reason pilots are on the airplane is for their decision making ability. Only a pilot can look at a contaminated runway, the winds, the aircraft's weight, airport layout, deferrals that effect performance and make a judgment call. Only a pilot can perform a close in approach in visual conditions. Only pilots know the difference between "expedite" and "unstable." Only pilots can deal with a bride who is in tears because your airline says she can not carry her wedding dress on the airplane.

200 hour pilots can fly an RJ sim. A very few can actually fly an airplane to almost a level that I would call basic proficiency. But, it puts all the decision making on the Captain. There is very little redundancy in the brains department.

There is a reason why ASA pays senior Captains $104 an hour and new hires $19 an hour. There is also a good reason not to pair Newly Qualified Pilots together. Experience, if properly applied with the right attitude, is the most important safety feature of an aircraft.

Well said Fins....

One must ask then, why has ALPA said that a pilot becomes dangerous when he turns 60, but the situation of a 20 year old with 200 hours is perfectly safe?

Which airplane would you rather put your family on with bad weather.... one with two 60 year olds with over 40,000 hours combined, or one with a 23 old captain with 2500 hours and an FO with 200 hours.... Which is safer?

If ALPA is using age 60 as a safety issue, why not minimum qualifications for 121 operations? ATP mins for 121 cockpit crewmembers..... In addition to safety, it would help with collective bargaining......

 

[John Pennekamp]

Well said Fins....

One must ask then, why has ALPA said that a pilot becomes dangerous when he turns 60, but the situation of a 20 year old with 200 hours is perfectly safe?

Which airplane would you rather put your family on with bad weather.... one with two 60 year olds with over 40,000 hours combined, or one with a 23 old captain with 2500 hours and an FO with 200 hours.... Which is safer?

Just one quick question: Does one or both the 60 year old have a hidden heart condition? Are you sure? Maybe a little early onset Alzheimers or dementia? Dizzy spells? Easily fatigued? Certainly Dr Williams didn't just sign them off? That never happens!

I think that if a captain has amassed 2500 hours by the age of 23 and survived, he's probably a pretty good pilot. Even if he doesn't have the experience to back up his decisions. The "more experienced" pilots tend to jump to conclusions based on past experience, IMO.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Just one quick question: Does one or both the 60 year old have a hidden heart condition? Are you sure? Maybe a little early onset Alzheimers or dementia? Dizzy spells? Easily fatigued? Certainly Dr Williams didn't just sign them off? That never happens!

I think that if a captain has amassed 2500 hours by the age of 23 and survived, he's probably a pretty good pilot. Even if he doesn't have the experience to back up his decisions. The "more experienced" pilots tend to jump to conclusions based on past experience, IMO.

Hey just like old times.... we don't agree on this

Let's just say they both have that heart condition for your argument to work....

Didn't they probably both have that heart condition when they were 59 years and 364 days old? Was that safe?

What if one of these captains with the heart condition flies with one of these 200 hour folks and then croaks... with bad weather, in the mountains.....

I'll take my chances with the experienced crew....

 

[Stifler's Mom]

...and just like old times, you manage to take a thread about ASA hiring and turn it into an ALPA issue.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey just like old times.... we don't agree on this

Let's just say they both have that heart condition for your argument to work....

Didn't they probably both have that heart condition when they were 59 years and 364 days old? Was that safe?

What if one of these captains with the heart condition flies with one of these 200 hour folks and then croaks... with bad weather, in the mountains.....

I'll take my chances with the experienced crew....

Ok, I'll give you the 59+364 argument. Just keep in mind that this same guy will be there at 64+364.

Using your scenario, how would you feel about the 60 year old captain with the hidden heart condition (who the doc pencilwhipped) paired with a 200 hr FO going into AVL at night, no radar, and terrible weather, landing ILS 16 after a 6 leg day and 14 duty hours.

Cleared direct Broad River, direct Keans, full ILS 16. On the initial approach at Broad River, the CA croaks.

Now what?

The 23 year old is much less likely to croak in the first place. I'll take that one any day.

 

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Just one quick question: Does one or both the 60 year old have a hidden heart condition? Are you sure? Maybe a little early onset Alzheimers or dementia? Dizzy spells? Easily fatigued? Certainly Dr Williams didn't just sign them off? That never happens!

HA! Funny you should mention that. My last flight physical was interrupted by a sales :cartman: BABE :cartman: handing out free samples of a male erectile disfunction cure. My Doctor got so distracted that my physical was instantly over and I passed, without even a vision test.

I self administered the test with the help of a nurse just to ensure my vision was holding in there uncorrected.

And the bill was still $220.