ASA Furlough Fund

[Stifler's Mom]

mtsupilot,

I will go along with the private account for those to donate into. That being said, and since you proclaim to be a supporter of it, can you tell me what have you found in your research about setting up a private fund?

The point I am trying to make is, many called for a private fund instead, but I didn't see anybody taking it further than that.

Own your own ideas. If you think you have a great solution, take it further than just saying we need a private fund. I am willing to listen to both options, and will help where I can. I just haven't seen the private fund option get off the drawing board, and our furloughed pilots need are help.

 

[probablecause]

I also see both sides of the coin like most however, as far as this being some kind of test from ALPA... well this vote that was sent out is not anything new. Other pilot groups such as Delta have voted on the same type of fund for there furloughed pilots. The union addressed this in a FAQ.

As far as that Auburn tool, I did not vote yes for him. I voted yes for guy I flew that had a wife and a kid with an unexpected kid on the way. Or the other guy who has one kid and his wife who just lost her job. The idiots like Mr Auburn just got lucky in life one more time.

While I agree this generation sucks for the most part, I hope the Delta pilots were not over there saying that last crop of pilots were the worst, good riddance to them and their family's. We are are still humans and more over we are bonded by a special fraternity.


PC

 

[CFI2766]

While I agree this generation sucks for the most part, I hope the Delta pilots were not over there saying that last crop of pilots were the worst, good riddance to them and their family's. We are are still humans and more over we are bonded by a special fraternity.


PC[/quote]


The most relevant thought in this whole thread.

 

[buscap]

People!!

This generation does not 'suck".

It's just different. And as for those differences, some are for better, some are for worse.

But let's not forget, this generation has fielded the finest all volunteer military the world has ever seen.

They may be different, and can't quote Caddyshack or appreciate a comment about Ned Beatty grabbing a log and squealing like a pig, but they don't suck!

 

[www.]

This has nothing to do with wether we do OR do not want to help fellow pilots. The answer to that is Yes we do BUT on our terms. Not to be told what we have to do.

ALPA works "for" the line pilot, the line pilot doesn't work for ALPA. What should have happened is a quick Wilson poll on the subject then proceed in the proper direct. These pilots will be taken care of, this was never in doubt.

 

[sweptback]

ALPA works "for" the line pilot, the line pilot doesn't work for ALPA. What should have happened is a quick Wilson poll on the subject then proceed in the proper direct. These pilots will be taken care of, this was never in doubt.

I agree with you, but Wilson polls are very expensive. Isn't the vote pretty much the same way of polling the pilot group? It is much cheaper to do, and it isn't really the fault of the ASA MEC that our pilot group couldn't be bothered to take the time to vote.

Given that only ~20% took the time to vote, I pretty much think that if there was a voluntary fund, the contributions would have been so low that it would have been an insult to the furloughed guys.

 

[j41driver]

I actually tried to vote, but could not figure it out. I got a number and a pin, but that's as far as I got.

Was it really that hard to figure out? Don't you guys use BallotPoint?

 

[www.]

I agree with you, but Wilson polls are very expensive. Isn't the vote pretty much the same way of polling the pilot group? It is much cheaper to do, and it isn't really the fault of the ASA MEC that our pilot group couldn't be bothered to take the time to vote.

Given that only ~20% took the time to vote, I pretty much think that if there was a voluntary fund, the contributions would have been so low that it would have been an insult to the furloughed guys.

Yes.

No.

 

[mtsupilot376]

Well I called the Delta Credit Union just to see what it would take. In this particular case, since this is not for any one individual, like a family house fire, or cancer or something, we would have to set up a temporary trust and appoint trusstees to handle disbursement to the group on a case by case basis.
Slightly complicated.

I still think that may rather than force every one to pay ALPA could have just setup the fund and allowed people to donate to it rather than take our money.

But thanks for hearing my point and not attacking me from the get go.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Well I called the Delta Credit Union just to see what it would take. In this particular case, since this is not for any one individual, like a family house fire, or cancer or something, we would have to set up a temporary trust and appoint trusstees to handle disbursement to the group on a case by case basis.
Slightly complicated.

I still think that may rather than force every one to pay ALPA could have just setup the fund and allowed people to donate to it rather than take our money.

But thanks for hearing my point and not attacking me from the get go.

Thanks for doing some research into it. It definately sounds like it would be tricky to handle. To me, what ALPA was offering was the only real option we had. If the vote had not passed, I am not sure what direction we would have gone...if any at all.

 

[www.]

Thanks for doing some research into it. It definately sounds like it would be tricky to handle. To me, what ALPA was offering was the only real option we had. If the vote had not passed, I am not sure what direction we would have gone...if any at all.

There were other suggestions made by pilots.

 

[Smacktard]

We are living in a time similar to the great depression.

Give me a break, this isn't even comparable.

 

[JumpersAway]

Give me a break, this isn't even comparable.

..............................yet- unfortunately.

I sincerely hope it won't, either.............

 

[Stifler's Mom]

There were other suggestions made by pilots.

There were suggestions, and not much more than that. What MTSU wrote was about as far as anybody went with it. Looking into it, seeing how difficult a challenge it would have been, and left it at that.

Without going back into all the messages on the ALPA Board, I don't think anything was beyond the idea stages.

To me, I wanted to help our furloughed pilots, and I thought what ALPA had out there was the best and frankly only thing at the time. If somebody had busted their ass and put together something tangible that was voluntary for us to donate into, I would have seriously considered voting a different way.

The reasons behind not voting for the proposal that people put out were legitimate to me.

 

[Speedtape]

There were suggestions, and not much more than that. What MTSU wrote was about as far as anybody went with it. Looking into it, seeing how difficult a challenge it would have been, and left it at that.

Without going back into all the messages on the ALPA Board, I don't think anything was beyond the idea stages.

To me, I wanted to help our furloughed pilots, and I thought what ALPA had out there was the best and frankly only thing at the time. If somebody had busted their ass and put together something tangible that was voluntary for us to donate into, I would have seriously considered voting a different way.

The reasons behind not voting for the proposal that people put out were legitimate to me.

This statement is not directed necessarily towards you. Given that there has been an abundance of ideas on this forum, and given that there has been alot of debate and criticism of actions put forth by ALPA, there has been no other credible action or follow through by any of the arm chair quarterbacks and naysayers on this board. TALK IS CHEAP!

In regard to all of the claims and pledges that MOST have made about the donations they would have made to a VOLUNTARY PROGRAM--I WAIVE THE B.S. FLAG!!!!!! Once again, history has proven that most people that make such claims, NEVER follow through! Who on this forum, or not, has taken the initiative to set up a VOLUNTARY PROGRAM? NONE! Because most people are talkers, criticizers, and NON-ACTION TAKERS! We all sit back, waste alot of energy moving our jaws talking, and fingers typing--but no leadership or action is taken! Who has written the first check to help? NONE!

Bottom line--We are all wasting alot of good oxygen criticizing instead of taking any action to address the issue! Here's one last chance: What woman or man is ready to step up to the plate to lead a voluntary program? The silence will be Deafening, but predictable!

Note: For the record, I include myself in the non-action taker group!

 

[Crash Pad]

My favorite is the... "I would give wayyy more if it was voluntary"

Yep and you have no intention of working past 60.

 

[JumpersAway]

Voluntary fund= good camoflage to hide behind while not chipping in a single cent, yet telling everyone you have.

 

[Papa Woody]

Voluntary fund= good camoflage to hide behind while not chipping in a single cent, yet telling everyone you have.

[Involuntary] Furlough Fund= taking $300 from me to give to some BMW-driving CEO's son who has a 1 year vacation from his hobby job which he bought at a fast-track flight school in Florida.

 

[sweptback]

[Involuntary] Furlough Fund= taking $300 from me to give to some BMW-driving CEO's son who has a 1 year vacation from his hobby job which he bought at a fast-track flight school in Florida.

Eh, not worth it.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

[Involuntary] Furlough Fund= taking $300 from me to give to some BMW-driving CEO's son who has a 1 year vacation from his hobby job which he bought at a fast-track flight school in Florida.

You made me smile...thank you.