ASA FAs about to sell out on PBS

[ifly4food]

Also, I'm HIGHLY opposed to the AFA leading the pilot group into PBS. I reallly hope that the MEC is quietly, but actively, engaging the AFA on this matter.

The sad part is that they probably aren't doing it are are not welcome to. My experience with the AFA is that they have an attitude of "we're big girls we don't need a bunch of pilots taking care of us". They'll probably go it alone just to prove they can. And we'll be stuck with their choice. PBS, take it or leave it in three years.

 

[CFI2766]

-If you can actually hold a job, pay taxes on your income and then bitch about giving too little to "those who have the least," then, sir, there is no possibility of us helping you here.

-You obviously have much bigger problems than PBS, so why not get out the old checkbook and write out a big fatty for some crackhead to erase your sense of guilt? Gold star for your generousity-but just don't get too crazy with my earnings.

-Leave the nuts and bolts of career stuff to those of us who still have some damn sense!

Nuts.

 

[Flybywire44]

Is there any pilot or flight attendant group that is happy with PBS? CAL hates it...

 

[neecy]

ASA and PBS

I do not know everything about PBS but here is what AFA is saying. We are looking at the NavTech provider that Alaska Airline F/As and Delta piolts use purely senority based.
We are looking at 40 preferences you can choose from including a "reasons report" why you were awarded or denied a pairing.

 

[Flybywire44]

What reason is there for it to be denied? Because someone senior got it instead of you? This will completely change QOL. They will no longer have the ability to bid VaCay on pairings to have the pairings dropped for a 20 hour month at guarantee.

This will some the company a lot of money though...

What do the DAL folks say about this system?

 

[PCL_128]

Well, 40 preferences is horrible. They must be deactivating a whole bunch of them. The software allows for several hundred. But Navtech is the best software, so that's at least some good news for you guys.

 

[neecy]

Yes it is a huge money and time saver for the company, I think it is going to be a hard sell because of the QOL issues. As far as vacation goes I know they are still working on the numbers. It is suppose to be built to reflect what the average flight attendant currently flies in vacation months

 

[lonestarpilot20]

Okay I don't post here very often, I prefer to stay on the sidelines and watch the mudslinging from afar. However, in the case of PBS my response is a resounding no. My feeling is that we will give up way to much power to the company and will get screwed in the end.

I am nearing the 50% mark on the 200 Capt. list and have been able to hold weekends or partial weekends off for a few months. I am convinced that what ever sysytem we get will wind up being no better than the former relief system we had. Sorry no dice. Been there done that. What I expect to happen over the next few months is the lines to be particlarly crappy with the company (read SH) stating that "if we only had PBS things would be better." Umm BS! As far as I am concerned SH can go f$*k himself and can only hope the rumor is true that he is on his way out.

On a side not that this really matters to us, but food for thought. Talking to a number of buddies over at SWA says that the company has been pushing for PBS, but the pilot group there won't even discuss it. Something about turning a week of vacation into 2 or more.

I've also had conversations with my FAs and convinced them that they should vote against PBS and encourage others to do so.

Just my .02

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Uh, guys- there is no requirement that we EVER agree to any PBS system. Why is everyone convinced it will happen?

Bueller?

 

[ifly4food]

Uh, guys- there is no requirement that we EVER agree to any PBS system. Why is everyone convinced it will happen?

Bueller?

There's no requirement? Three years from last November, we'll be back in Section 6 negotiations in a very weak economy. The company will have us over a barrel, especially if the FAs already have PBS. We'll end up taking concessions if we don't give it up.

 

[CFI2766]

There's no requirement? Three years from last November, we'll be back in Section 6 negotiations in a very weak economy. The company will have us over a barrel, especially if the FAs already have PBS. We'll end up taking concessions if we don't give it up.

Three years from now the economy will have recovered. As long as you consider 'recovered' as $5 a gallon of unleaded gas and a complete abandonment of company provided/assisted health care.

 

[lonestarpilot20]

There's no requirement? Three years from last November, we'll be back in Section 6 negotiations in a very weak economy. The company will have us over a barrel, especially if the FAs already have PBS. We'll end up taking concessions if we don't give it up.

That may not necessarily be the case. Certainly the economy is going to be weak for sometime, and I think biggest shake out is going to occur in the regional sector. I don't think we'll see mergers, it will be much easier to let weaker carriers die on the vine (think Mesa). Skywest with ASA should be in a good position, so I don't think they'll have us over a barrel. I do think that they will try every trick in the book to get us to bite on PBS. I think we need to let the company know that after we vote no on any changes to our CBA to allow PBS, that we will never talk about PBS again.

Again just my .02

 

[propjockey]

I hardly ever visit flightinfo anymore, and even less often write anything, but I feel passionate about this issue. Specifically for you guys at ASA -- I'm also a SkyWest pilot. I 100% agree with PBR and GR8. If ASA comes to you peddling the same piece of crap software that we got, homemade by a company called AOS, (apparently a bunch of Dixie College IT department flunkies who don't know the first thing about airlines),
RUN THE OTHER WAY!

By the way, AOS is the same company that wrote the software that puts together our crappy pairings!!

BAD pairings + WORSE PBS software = $%#@ sandwiches every day.

We probably would have been better off if they had outsourced writing our PBS software to India.

 

[ifly4food]

Three years from now the economy will have recovered. As long as you consider 'recovered' as $5 a gallon of unleaded gas and a complete abandonment of company provided/assisted health care.

Considering that the economy isn't even "officially" in recession yet, and past cycles indicate airline recessions lasting 5 years, I think we will still be in recession by then. But again, that's just from looking at past cycles.

 

[Snapperhead]

I hardly ever visit flightinfo anymore, and even less often write anything, but I feel passionate about this issue. Specifically for you guys at ASA -- I'm also a SkyWest pilot. I 100% agree with PBR and GR8. If ASA comes to you peddling the same piece of crap software that we got, homemade by a company called AOS, (apparently a bunch of Dixie College IT department flunkies who don't know the first thing about airlines),
RUN THE OTHER WAY!

By the way, AOS is the same company that wrote the software that puts together our crappy pairings!!

BAD pairings + WORSE PBS software = $%#@ sandwiches every day.

We probably would have been better off if they had outsourced writing our PBS software to India.

I agree with you about the bad pairings+worse software=bad times. We had a PB system at TWA and loved it though. It was a company called AdOpt. The union worked with the PB department to ensure the pairing were up to snuff on a month to month basis too. How do I know?, my wife was the manager of the Pref Bid Department.
You guys are dead on about the pairing being legit before launching the software. Also, the software must be legit/transparent/whatever you want to call it. I really don't believe ASA can handle this system properly.
If our union believes that PBS is coming in the not too distant future, they need to be talking with the AFA to ensure that the software company they choose is kosher. Also, things like picking up open time, dropping trips, etc...needs to be fully automated, and taken out of the hands of our scheduling department. End of rant.