ASA, DAL almost collide in ATL

[79%N1]

No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)

 

[Oakum_Boy]

No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)

I think your frustration is misdirected. Do you know, or did you follow the history of the ASAP negotiations? I think you'll find ALPA did the right thing on this one. Do we need the ASAP progam? Yes. Can we get one soon? I don't know.

 

[atl pilot]

Uga,
I cannot agree with you more. I have already fired off an angry email to my union press guys and local president. I am very angry about how this was handled. Five-minutes of free publicity is no good when its done on someone else's (the ASA pilot group) misfortune, or disdains their intregity.

 

[Varmint]

I want to know how the press found out about this so quickly in the first place. Did they get a call from someone on the RJ when they saw a 757 hurtling at them, did someone from ATC call the media....like DAN RONAN...ATC union spokesman...funny he has the same name as an ex Fox 5 reporter...hmmmm.

 

[regionalcap]

I am not sure what all was said on the tower frequency, but I am sure people use scanners and listen to it. Word gets out quick.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Yeah, I'll bet you a thousand bucks that ALPA would never approach the media nor comment on something like this. Could you just see one of our MEC pinning blame on an ATC'er before any kind of official report was out? I'm not so sure I like Atlanta ATC anymore. Maybe I'll just cover my ass and not help you out when you ask me to "hurry up" or "keep it snug". This team player ******************** is not working.

 

[atl pilot]

Oakum,
Please do not think we are all that way. Some of us do have integrity and still believe in the team concept - crews and controllers, and about providing great service. Unfortunately, our leadership and culture (within the FAA) has changed too - and we're all just walking a very fine line where the rules change daily depending on who you are (if you get my drift).
Some of us still really do care about doing it right for you guys 100% of the time!!

 

[CRJCptn]

I agree with atl, let not blame every ATL Tower/Tracon controller for the poor choice of words by one spokesman.

Hopefully we can all learn something from this incident when all is said and done. Then move on. Be safe everyone.

 

[CFI2766]

I like the whole, "Watch yourself! Don't get lazy... so you don't kill yourself and others" philosophy.

Or just blame others. That's usually easier.

-Brett

Are you sure you are not in management?

(It wasn't anyone we know, was it? pm me...)

 

[Jmoney]

ATC Union...

I want to know how the press found out about this so quickly in the first place. Did they get a call from someone on the RJ when they saw a 757 hurtling at them, did someone from ATC call the media....like DAN RONAN...ATC union spokesman...funny he has the same name as an ex Fox 5 reporter...hmmmm.

Every time something like this happens, the ATC union guys jump right on it. They are always bellyaching about the level of retirements leaving them short-staffed. The FAA is also not hiring
anywhere near the number of people they will need to replace these folks.

-As always, some metal will have to get bent before anything gets fixed by the FAA.

-I do feel for the controllers, and I am not sure this was a factor in this particular case, but do they really have to go running right off to the media?

 

[Erlanger]

No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)

What I find interesting is that the mechanics and dispatchers at ASA are covered under the ASAP program but not the pilots or flight attendants.

 

[John Pennekamp]

No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)

You should get educated on this issue before randomly assigning blame to the union.

The problem is on BOTH ends. An ASAP program will do no good if the company throws the pilot under the bus by creatively defining and interpreting what "sole source" report means. Again, if that doesn't make sense to you, then kindly shut your pie hole until you know what the hell you're talking about.

The union should NOT engage in ASAP discussions until the company has DEMONSTRATED an acceptable level of trust to make it realistic.

 

[John Pennekamp]

What I find interesting is that the mechanics and dispatchers at ASA are covered under the ASAP program but not the pilots or flight attendants.

The mechanics are not union. The dispatchers had less trust issues with management when they signed their letter. You're comparing apples to oranges.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Uga,
I cannot agree with you more. I have already fired off an angry email to my union press guys and local president. I am very angry about how this was handled. Five-minutes of free publicity is no good when its done on someone else's (the ASA pilot group) misfortune, or disdains their intregity.

VERY well said! Good to know we still have a friend in the tower.

 

[acaTerry]

Assuming it was the crews fault. That, in itself is an assumption at this point.

There could be much more to the story.


Medeco

There is not more to the story. They were instructed to hold short. They didn't. Pilot error cut and dry.
That being said, how many of you saw the AP (ASSociated Press) version? I quote "...crew ignored instructions not to taxi..."
I LOVE IT!!! Ignored. By definition, to ingnore means to hear, understand, and not comply. I seriously doubt that this crew heard, understood, and failed to comply. My money is that they got mixed up and inadvertantly boned it. ATL is a zoo.