Erlanger
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No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)
What I find interesting is that the mechanics and dispatchers at ASA are covered under the ASAP program but not the pilots or flight attendants.
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No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)
No....We do not!
(Great job ALPA!)
What I find interesting is that the mechanics and dispatchers at ASA are covered under the ASAP program but not the pilots or flight attendants.
Uga,
I cannot agree with you more. I have already fired off an angry email to my union press guys and local president. I am very angry about how this was handled. Five-minutes of free publicity is no good when its done on someone else's (the ASA pilot group) misfortune, or disdains their intregity.
Assuming it was the crews fault. That, in itself is an assumption at this point.
There could be much more to the story.
Medeco
There is not more to the story. They were instructed to hold short. They didn't. Pilot error cut and dry.
so you were there and heard it all take place?
Or are you just trusting the AJC???
Convince every captain out there to stop asking for takeoff briefings and your FO's will stop reading them.
-Brett
Some of us only read them when asked...I love it when I get briefed on all the items that i just wrote down 10 minutes before, I wrote it, pretty sure I am familiar with it.
There is not more to the story. They were instructed to hold short. They didn't. Pilot error cut and dry.
That being said, how many of you saw the AP (ASSociated Press) version? I quote "...crew ignored instructions not to taxi..."
I LOVE IT!!! Ignored. By definition, to ingnore means to hear, understand, and not comply. I seriously doubt that this crew heard, understood, and failed to comply. My money is that they got mixed up and inadvertantly boned it. ATL is a zoo.
But the number one thing is to make sure both pilots, look both ways before crossing an active runway's hold short line. I'm as guilty as anyone else for not doing it 100% of the time, but we have to make this a habbit, especially at busy places with poor setups like EWR, LAX, ATL, ORD...........
Here's something nobody has brought up. The way it used to be, when an aircraft was position and hold, the lights were left off as a signal to crossing aircraft that the one in position was not rolling.
Then several years ago, ALPA issued a memo to turn all lights on when pos and hold to increase visibility.
Now, we really can't tell if that pos and hold aircraft is rolling or not. Maybe the incident crew saw it, but just assumed it was pos and hold?
The way it used to be, lights on meant no cross. This may not have happened.
Didn't the turning on of lights while in position come from the crash at LAX where a USAir landed on top of a skywest in position? No matter what action the FAA or company takes there will always be an unforeseen danger lurking around the corner.