ASA 28-31 Aug contract neg updates?

[Medeco]

Incorrect. Contact is defined as two-way communications, like you said, but the clock starts when scheduling picks up the phone to call you. I agree that leaving a message does not notify you, but as a reserve pilot, you are understood to be available within 2 hours of the need of the company (plus your hour to duty in, meaning the flight can be scheduled to depart 3 hours from when you were called.)

Now, as a lineholder, if scheduling leaves a message on your voicemail saying that you are junior manned and please report to the airport immediately, then you can safely delete the message and ignore them. Unfortunately with reserves there is a different mindset because you are expected to be available.

Wrong, I did the time starts now with scheduling for 1.5yrs on reserve and I am about to go back on reserve and I will do it again till told not to by the union and CP at the same table.

Never had a problem

 

[Tomct]

Except for 50 seat captains, we are the highest paid in the DCI portfolio..... maybe we need to ask why the pattern is regressing and what is ALPA going to do to stop the competition within the brand.....

Big surprise....Joe talking Anti-ALPA!! I can't believe that you don't get tired of YAPPING!! You are worst than an "old womens club for yappers!" Give it a REST!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Incorrect. Contact is defined as two-way communications, like you said, but the clock starts when scheduling picks up the phone to call you. I agree that leaving a message does not notify you, but as a reserve pilot, you are understood to be available within 2 hours of the need of the company (plus your hour to duty in, meaning the flight can be scheduled to depart 3 hours from when you were called.)

Now, as a lineholder, if scheduling leaves a message on your voicemail saying that you are junior manned and please report to the airport immediately, then you can safely delete the message and ignore them. Unfortunately with reserves there is a different mindset because you are expected to be available.

Well, ok. You're wrong, but I'm not going to argue the point with you. The definition of contact as outlined in the settlement agreement has been carried through to the rest of the contract. Any scheduling supervisor or chief pilot will tell you that. If a scheduler feels differently, it is he who is incorrect. When two hours starts has been tested many times, and it has always been determined by the chief pilots as when a two way conversation takes place.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Well, ok. You're wrong, but I'm not going to argue the point with you. The definition of contact as outlined in the settlement agreement has been carried through to the rest of the contract. Any scheduling supervisor or chief pilot will tell you that. If a scheduler feels differently, it is he who is incorrect. When two hours starts has been tested many times, and it has always been determined by the chief pilots as when a two way conversation takes place.

I've asked this specific question with 3 scheduling supervisors, and they all said that when the message is left, the two hour callout begins. One of my friends ran into a problem with this last year. Contact may be when there is a verbal exchange, but the schedulers are trained to start the two hours when they leave the message.

A CP may disagree, I don't know because I've never asked them. And I don't have a dog in the fight b/c I'm not on reserve. I'm just trying to help those on reserve out, and let them know that scheduling is starting the time at that point, even if you aren't.

 

[AV8700]

I spent three years on reserve and it was always after verbal communication. I guess I should have listened to the scheduler after all everything they do is legal.

 

[shamrock]

You are trying WAY too hard, assman.

 

[knightflyer]

I've asked this specific question with 3 scheduling supervisors, and they all said that when the message is left, the two hour callout begins. One of my friends ran into a problem with this last year. Contact may be when there is a verbal exchange, but the schedulers are trained to start the two hours when they leave the message.

A CP may disagree, I don't know because I've never asked them. And I don't have a dog in the fight b/c I'm not on reserve. I'm just trying to help those on reserve out, and let them know that scheduling is starting the time at that point, even if you aren't.

I have a 0800 reserve time. If scheduling calls me at 0600....Should I pick up the phone? What if the call at 0000...or 2300 the previous day or 2200, or 2100, 2000. What if they call at 0500 just to give me the heads up? I will not pick up the phone until 0800. That is my reserve time. That is when I am on CALL! Section 13 M.2.f

 

[shamrock]

This message is hidden because assman is on your ignore list.

 

[Flip]

Moderators, please ban this asswipe retard.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I have a 0800 reserve time. If scheduling calls me at 0600....Should I pick up the phone? What if the call at 0000...or 2300 the previous day or 2200, or 2100, 2000. What if they call at 0500 just to give me the heads up? I will not pick up the phone until 0800. That is my reserve time. That is when I am on CALL! Section 13 M.2.f

WTF? I didn't say you should answer before your reserve time. I'm talking about the 2 hour callout. You know, the phone rings, and CS has a short call for you. 2 hrs from the time the message was left. That is how the schedulers are trained to start the time.

 

[wms]

I had a related grievance a while back. One point the company agreed on was that the two hours starts at contact, which they (the company) affirmed was voice-to-voice communications according to previous grievance settlements. Let scheduling tell you what they want, hang up the phone, look at your watch and show up two hours later. After 4 YEARS on reserve I've never been called in to a CP for this.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I had a related grievance a while back. One point the company agreed on was that the two hours starts at contact, which they (the company) affirmed was voice-to-voice communications according to previous grievance settlements. Let scheduling tell you what they want, hang up the phone, look at your watch and show up two hours later. After 4 YEARS on reserve I've never been called in to a CP for this.

Fair enough. The people that suffer from this rule are the flight attendants. As pilots, we don't really get a hard time about callout, etc. but the flight attendants get worked over regularly. It is absolutely horrible the way they are treated.