ASA 28-31 Aug contract neg updates?

[FmrFreightDog]

Where. Tell me where, and I'll look it up. I have a friend in scheduling, and I know for a fact they start the time when the message is left on your voicemail.

ALPA GRIEVANCE NO. ASA 00-02B A contact, (as used herein and in Section 12.E of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the parties effective September 15, 1998 [herein referred to as the "Agreement"]), is defined as a verbal exchange between the Company and a pilot.

The time starts when contact is made. Contact is a verbal exchange. Leaving a message on your voicemail does not constitute a verbal exchange. Scheduling can "start the clock" any time they like. The settlement agreement very clearly defines "contact" as has been referenced many times in the very situation you are describing.

 

[JoeMerchant]

WHERE THE HELL IS THE INFO FROM THE UNION?!?!?

This all went down before noon, and it is 11 pm with no communication from our union leaders!

There trying to figure out how to spin this..... takes some time to spin this the right way....

Remember after the last session, they were "surprised".....

 

[GeekMaster]

The complete CNC report is available on the ALPA page. Click on the drop down column at the top to take you to the ASA 112 page. Once there, click at the drop down menu for Committees and go down to the Negotiation > Sessions Briefings. The one at the top is labeled 08-30-07 NO DEAL!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

But wait, I thought ASA pilots would be the highest paid. Oh snap. I fell for the propaganda, again.

 

[JoeMerchant]

But wait, I thought ASA pilots would be the highest paid. Oh snap. I fell for the propaganda, again.

Except for 50 seat captains, we are the highest paid in the DCI portfolio..... maybe we need to ask why the pattern is regressing and what is ALPA going to do to stop the competition within the brand.....

 

[scarlet]

HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY !!! and DRIVE SAFE and love your family !!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

WHERE THE HELL IS THE INFO FROM THE UNION?!?!?

Good question. Joe, you didn't steal those notes too, did you?

 

[PCL_128]

maybe we need to ask why the pattern is regressing and what is ALPA going to do to stop the competition within the brand.....

Maybe you need to stop asking asinine, repetitive questions and start providing solutions.

 

[sweptback]

ALPA GRIEVANCE NO. ASA 00-02B A contact, (as used herein and in Section 12.E of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the parties effective September 15, 1998 [herein referred to as the "Agreement"]), is defined as a verbal exchange between the Company and a pilot.

The time starts when contact is made. Contact is a verbal exchange. Leaving a message on your voicemail does not constitute a verbal exchange. Scheduling can "start the clock" any time they like. The settlement agreement very clearly defines "contact" as has been referenced many times in the very situation you are describing.

Incorrect. Contact is defined as two-way communications, like you said, but the clock starts when scheduling picks up the phone to call you. I agree that leaving a message does not notify you, but as a reserve pilot, you are understood to be available within 2 hours of the need of the company (plus your hour to duty in, meaning the flight can be scheduled to depart 3 hours from when you were called.)

Now, as a lineholder, if scheduling leaves a message on your voicemail saying that you are junior manned and please report to the airport immediately, then you can safely delete the message and ignore them. Unfortunately with reserves there is a different mindset because you are expected to be available.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

If the mediator releases us, then he finally saw thru the smog and grew some balls.

I don't think the issue is with our mediator. The issue is with the NMB. I think our mediaor sees what is going on just fine, he reports back to his bosses on the board and they come back and say more dates.

 

[Medeco]

Incorrect. Contact is defined as two-way communications, like you said, but the clock starts when scheduling picks up the phone to call you. I agree that leaving a message does not notify you, but as a reserve pilot, you are understood to be available within 2 hours of the need of the company (plus your hour to duty in, meaning the flight can be scheduled to depart 3 hours from when you were called.)

Now, as a lineholder, if scheduling leaves a message on your voicemail saying that you are junior manned and please report to the airport immediately, then you can safely delete the message and ignore them. Unfortunately with reserves there is a different mindset because you are expected to be available.

Wrong, I did the time starts now with scheduling for 1.5yrs on reserve and I am about to go back on reserve and I will do it again till told not to by the union and CP at the same table.

Never had a problem

 

[Tomct]

Except for 50 seat captains, we are the highest paid in the DCI portfolio..... maybe we need to ask why the pattern is regressing and what is ALPA going to do to stop the competition within the brand.....

Big surprise....Joe talking Anti-ALPA!! I can't believe that you don't get tired of YAPPING!! You are worst than an "old womens club for yappers!" Give it a REST!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Incorrect. Contact is defined as two-way communications, like you said, but the clock starts when scheduling picks up the phone to call you. I agree that leaving a message does not notify you, but as a reserve pilot, you are understood to be available within 2 hours of the need of the company (plus your hour to duty in, meaning the flight can be scheduled to depart 3 hours from when you were called.)

Now, as a lineholder, if scheduling leaves a message on your voicemail saying that you are junior manned and please report to the airport immediately, then you can safely delete the message and ignore them. Unfortunately with reserves there is a different mindset because you are expected to be available.

Well, ok. You're wrong, but I'm not going to argue the point with you. The definition of contact as outlined in the settlement agreement has been carried through to the rest of the contract. Any scheduling supervisor or chief pilot will tell you that. If a scheduler feels differently, it is he who is incorrect. When two hours starts has been tested many times, and it has always been determined by the chief pilots as when a two way conversation takes place.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Well, ok. You're wrong, but I'm not going to argue the point with you. The definition of contact as outlined in the settlement agreement has been carried through to the rest of the contract. Any scheduling supervisor or chief pilot will tell you that. If a scheduler feels differently, it is he who is incorrect. When two hours starts has been tested many times, and it has always been determined by the chief pilots as when a two way conversation takes place.

I've asked this specific question with 3 scheduling supervisors, and they all said that when the message is left, the two hour callout begins. One of my friends ran into a problem with this last year. Contact may be when there is a verbal exchange, but the schedulers are trained to start the two hours when they leave the message.

A CP may disagree, I don't know because I've never asked them. And I don't have a dog in the fight b/c I'm not on reserve. I'm just trying to help those on reserve out, and let them know that scheduling is starting the time at that point, even if you aren't.

 

[AV8700]

I spent three years on reserve and it was always after verbal communication. I guess I should have listened to the scheduler after all everything they do is legal.