ASA 28-31 Aug contract neg updates?

[Papa Woody]

Below me.

Go ahead, say it out loud. If you still don't get it, ask around.

Scott, is that you?

 

[49W]

ASA AND ALPA D.C. NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE​

ASA and ALPA negotiating teams met again today in
Washington, D.C. for a second day of mediated negotiations.
The National Mediation Board (NMB) has scheduled meetings
through Friday, Aug. 31.
ASA representatives include President Bryan LaBrecque and
Vice President of Flight Operations Charlie Tutt, who are
attending the sessions with high expectations to come to an
agreement on a contract that is not only fair to you, ASA’s hardworking
pilots, but for ASA’s long-term economic viability.
It is with both of these concerns in mind that ASA presented
ALPA with a proposal, giving them two options. Both were
comprehensive offers for the remaining open sections and both
offered to position ASA pilots to be among the highest paid
within the regional airline industry while providing scope
protection and signing bonuses.
ALPA returned to the negotiating table today with a counter
proposal and ASA responded late this afternoon.
It is the Company’s belief that the current negotiating session
can yield a collective bargaining agreement that all parties can​

be proud of.

 

[Airboss]

Mediated negotiations resumed today in Washington D.C.
We received two proposals simultaneously, “Option 1 and
Option 2,” from management last night. Management’s Option
one proposal had better pay rates, little scope protection and nil
retro-pay. Option two had little pay rates, some scope and
slightly more retro-pay. Neither option alone was adequate to
embrace. In fact, both options combined were inadequate and
fell well short of the pilots needs in scope, pay rates, retro pay
and duty rigs.
In the morning, the Association countered comprehensive full
language proposals on all the remaining open issues. In result,
we are close to tentative agreements in Section 18 Instructor
Pilots, Section 27 Retirement, Section 28 Insurance, and Section
30 Duration. These Sections are pending final review for
typographical errors.
We remain committed to obtaining a fair agreement that offers:
job protection with minimized whip-saw threats, raises that are
commensurate with industry standards and future COLA’s, each
year. The rates we have proposed would do just that and still
allow the Company to remain extremely profitable and
competitive within the industry.
Here’s a recap of the remaining open issues:
Scope: Fragmentation, this provision dictates how aircraft can
potentially be transferred between airlines and what job
protections will be in place for ASA pilots in the event of one or
more aircraft transfer(s). We appear close in concept on some of the issues here; but, management’s proposals fall short of our
needs.
Pay rates: Lately, pay rates are all over the board in
management’s proposals. This may be intentional on their part
to try and confuse the pilots at ASA (in their updates.) At a
glance the CR2 captain rates may look ok in one proposal, but
the rest of their proposals are lacking substance. Management’s
proposals also fall short of our long standing requirement to
compensate our first officers at 60% of the Captain’s rate.
The CR7 pay rate proposals are either nothing for the duration in
option two proposal; and, 1% on DOS and 1% DOS+24 months
in option one. One thing to consider for each 1% raise on the
CR7 equates to only $264,000 per year in additional costs for
the Company. As Company profits continue to soar, they want
your salary to remain stagnant.
Profit Sharing: The Association agreed to accept the Company’s
profit sharing program to move closer to management in their
pay rate proposals. Keep in mind all other non-contract
employees continue to enjoy the profit-sharing program and did
not have to give up pay to get it.
Management continues to encumber the profit-sharing program
as a contingency to accept a preferential bidding system (PBS).
The Association remains opposed to any PBS system in this
contract. Remember how long it took us to negotiate Section 13
Scheduling? We spent a year and a half negotiating a new
Section 13, many of the areas that we negotiated to improve and
spent bargaining capital to obtain would simply go away under
PBS. Examples would be the improvements to the integration
system, line construction guidelines, and vacation bidding. We
are not interested in renegotiating these issues or giving up the
value we have in the gains we have made.​

Duty Rigs: The dispute in this issue is the application of the duty
rig. Management has various offers on the table all of which
have glaring holes in their application. The Association’s
proposal is a simple industry standard 1 hour pay for 2 hours of
duty based on actual duty and a min day of 3 hours 45 minutes.
Retro pay: The parties remain millions apart on what it should
be. The methodology of how to compute retro pay also remains
in dispute. When the Association’s economist uses
management’s methodology, we still come up with much higher
numbers than management does.
It became apparent to the Association early in this session that
management came to this session only willing to reach an
agreement under their terms, not a mutual agreement. The
Association’s proposals are more than reasonable and easily
affordable by the Company.
We will explain the issues and
positions of both parties in further detail in a future update.
In the late evening the mediators informed both parties that we
will meet with the National Mediation Board member(s) Thursday
morning at the NMB office to discuss our case. We will report to
you after the meeting.​

 

[79%N1]

Hmmm. Sounds interesting. Management feels like they have made a fair offer and are trying to turn up the heat. ALPA seems to feel it is still inadequate. The sad thing is it is down to only about three things now, but I stand by my prediction. This will come and go with no end in sight.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

OPTION 4​

 

[IFLYASA]

After reading today's update, I'm pi$$ed more than ever. NO FAVORS. It's going to be an interesting trip coming up.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

How about this response from Bryan when asked why negotiations are going so poorly.

I personally believe that U.S. Americans are unable to do so because, uh, some ... people out there in our nation don't have maps and uh, I believe that our, ah, education like such as in South Africa, and, uh, the Iraq, everywhere like such as, and I believe that they should, uh, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S., or should help South Africa, it should help the Iraq and the Asian countries so we will be able to build up our future, for our children.

 

[Airboss]

After talking to our union reps, it sounds like (as usual) the company is playing with themselves. Their offer was due at 1 pm today and didn't pass it along until 3pm. They didn't move much, and ALPA says they are not going to move much more either. We all know the profit margin of Skywest. Sounds like the shots are being called in SGU.

 

[Airboss]

After talking to other pilots....
what if we had no pens in the cockpit? It
s not a required item in the FOM.
How will captains sign the release? How will FO's fill out the Load Manifest?
My personal (non ALPA affiliated) opinion is stop bringing your personal pens to work.
Call ops, tell them there are no pens in the airplane and cannot fill out the paperwork.
This will get real interesting quick!

 

[79%N1]

After talking to our union reps, it sounds like (as usual) the company is playing with themselves. Their offer was due at 1 pm today and didn't pass it along until 3pm. They didn't move much, and ALPA says they are not going to move much more either. We all know the profit margin of Skywest. Sounds like the shots are being called in SGU.

Then why in the hell are we (both sides) even bothering to show up and continue this absolute farce of a charade???

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!

 

[IFLYASA]

How about this response from Bryan when asked why negotiations are going so poorly.

I sadly admit I watched Miss Teen S.C. quote this on the Miss Teen USA pagent. Now that was a boring overnight...

 

[scarlet]

Board will just park NEGs. and get back to them when both sides are ready.

See you in the funny pages...

Have a great Labor day--funny it is called LABOR DAY !!!

 

[jstyle13]

After talking to other pilots....
what if we had no pens in the cockpit? It
s not a required item in the FOM.
How will captains sign the release? How will FO's fill out the Load Manifest?
My personal (non ALPA affiliated) opinion is stop bringing your personal pens to work.
Call ops, tell them there are no pens in the airplane and cannot fill out the paperwork.
This will get real interesting quick!

Lumburgh says:

yyyyyeeeaaaaa. im gonna have to go ahead and.... disagree with you there.............

 

[Medeco]

I sadly admit I watched Miss Teen S.C. quote this on the Miss Teen USA pagent. Now that was a boring overnight...

She and the others on there are what I like to call:

BDH: Brain Dead Hottie

What a turn off.

Medeco

 

[Crash Pad]

The NMB is appointed by the president. They are pro-buisness. If you think there will be a release you are poorly informed on labor issues.

Nothing will come of this session. I'm not in management but I will give them a tip of the hat. They have absolutely routed labor. Well done gentleman.

 

[Medeco]

The NMB is appointed by the president. They are pro-buisness. If you think there will be a release you are poorly informed on labor issues.

Nothing will come of this session. I'm not in management but I will give them a tip of the hat. They have absolutely routed labor. Well done gentleman.

OHHHHH, is that how it works?

Poorly informed, I will give you that, in the sense that many people in this fight are poorly informed due to their lack of interest.

I am not convinced either way as to which way things will go, but I hardly believe we should throw in the towel because the cards are stacked against us.

And last, I would never disrespect our company "leaders" in a one on one coversation, but I would never call them gentlement either.

Just as you and others are so ready to say "I told yah so" with no release, I too cannot wait for the day that I can say, "who was it that said we were'nt getting released?"

I'm not saying it will, I'm just holding on to what will be best for our cause.

Medeco

The only labor I'll be doing this weekend is driving to the beach and pouring adult beverages.

 

[601Pilot]

labor day weekend

Yep, operation FASA starts Friday evening if no TA is reached. Ask your fellow pilot if you have not been informed. Let the fun begin and I will apologize in advance if you actually bought a ticket for this weekend.

Maybe a few flights will make it; I'm sure Joey will have his phone on when they need him!

 

[Richard Gozinya]

..........They are pro-buisness. If you think there will be a release you are poorly informed on labor issues.

Nothing will come of this session.

Here is the answer. If the status quo is productive, in a completely demonized and depressed industry, then its DFW(Don't fvck with) it!

Lets say I am cheating on my girlfriend, not really, and she catches me numerous times. Each time she threatens to dump me. I swear to change, but never do. I keep cheatin', and getting caught. Nothing ever changes. All that is happening is that I am having the time of my life, with no down side.

So, why should anybody that is screwing everyone, making a sh1t pot full of money, and not having to change(when they say they have to) change anything. Here is the answer.

How much can you change in 5 years?

Dick Gozinya

 

[www.]

I'm willing to wager that this 4 day session is a means to an end.


2) we dont get a TA because of company not willing to compromise and the NMB gives us our release.

4 days straight is plenty of time for this crap to wrap up.

DING DING DING!

BL, SH and CT don't think that history can repeat itself from 1998. They do not think that the pilots have the will to do what is needed at this time to finish the contract. They laugh and joke about it.

After seeing the Company's a and b proposal .....My crystal ball say that the MNB will meet with both sides. Neither side is going to give and so the NMB will make a choice to offer and neither side will except the offer so it's time to move on with the process. I would advise you to get your house in order.

 

[Medeco]

The update last night said they were to meet with THE BOARD today.

To me that implies that they are being called to the principles office for a little pow wow.

Medeco