ASA 28-31 Aug contract neg updates?

[goahead]

Mgmt went home last night

 

[Jmoney]

Went home

Mgmt went home last night

They went home alright and started jerkin their gerkins!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

ASA pilots.....I think it is time you start questioning the negotiators on BOTH sides of the table.
I just read the companies version of an update. On it they talk about how good the new TA´d scheduling section is!! It would be great but for one word that they added that makes all the differences.
They state the long call short call notification time starts from 1st "ATTEMPTED" call to the pilot.
Since when did Attempted mean we were notified of anything. The current contract states notification as the first verbal communication between the scheduler adn the pilot.....NOT ATTEMPTED contact.
Little things like this are what need to be addressed!!

Read your contract again, it says no such thing about verbal contact. When scheduling leaves you a message, they have started the clock. That is how it is now, not just in the new contract.

 

[TOOL CRIB]

Read your contract again, it says no such thing about verbal contact. When scheduling leaves you a message, they have started the clock. That is how it is now, not just in the new contract.

WRONG!! It's in a settlement agreement. You need to read all those and the LOA's too. Very important!

 

[IFLYASA]

If negotiations stopped 2 days early, then why would the mediator schedule "more dates"? They had more days, but chose not to use them.

If they decide to have more dates, then yes, the mediator is siding with management. Hands down.

If the mediator releases us, then he finally saw thru the smog and grew some balls.

I would have the biggest smile on my face if all flights were delayed on Saturday,and there out due to maintenance. I'm trying my best.

 

[JoeMerchant]

There will be no release....

 

[Richard Gozinya]

There will be no release....

You know it, and I know it.

Dick Gozinya

 

[JoeMerchant]

You know it, and I know it.

Dick Gozinya

Hey we agree on something for once....:beer:

 

[ASA_Aviator]

WRONG!! It's in a settlement agreement. You need to read all those and the LOA's too. Very important!

Where. Tell me where, and I'll look it up. I have a friend in scheduling, and I know for a fact they start the time when the message is left on your voicemail.

 

[79%N1]

WHERE THE HELL IS THE INFO FROM THE UNION?!?!?

This all went down before noon, and it is 11 pm with no communication from our union leaders!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

Where. Tell me where, and I'll look it up. I have a friend in scheduling, and I know for a fact they start the time when the message is left on your voicemail.

ALPA GRIEVANCE NO. ASA 00-02B A contact, (as used herein and in Section 12.E of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the parties effective September 15, 1998 [herein referred to as the "Agreement"]), is defined as a verbal exchange between the Company and a pilot.

The time starts when contact is made. Contact is a verbal exchange. Leaving a message on your voicemail does not constitute a verbal exchange. Scheduling can "start the clock" any time they like. The settlement agreement very clearly defines "contact" as has been referenced many times in the very situation you are describing.

 

[JoeMerchant]

WHERE THE HELL IS THE INFO FROM THE UNION?!?!?

This all went down before noon, and it is 11 pm with no communication from our union leaders!

There trying to figure out how to spin this..... takes some time to spin this the right way....

Remember after the last session, they were "surprised".....

 

[GeekMaster]

The complete CNC report is available on the ALPA page. Click on the drop down column at the top to take you to the ASA 112 page. Once there, click at the drop down menu for Committees and go down to the Negotiation > Sessions Briefings. The one at the top is labeled 08-30-07 NO DEAL!

 

[Oakum_Boy]

But wait, I thought ASA pilots would be the highest paid. Oh snap. I fell for the propaganda, again.

 

[JoeMerchant]

But wait, I thought ASA pilots would be the highest paid. Oh snap. I fell for the propaganda, again.

Except for 50 seat captains, we are the highest paid in the DCI portfolio..... maybe we need to ask why the pattern is regressing and what is ALPA going to do to stop the competition within the brand.....

 

[scarlet]

HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY !!! and DRIVE SAFE and love your family !!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

WHERE THE HELL IS THE INFO FROM THE UNION?!?!?

Good question. Joe, you didn't steal those notes too, did you?

 

[PCL_128]

maybe we need to ask why the pattern is regressing and what is ALPA going to do to stop the competition within the brand.....

Maybe you need to stop asking asinine, repetitive questions and start providing solutions.

 

[sweptback]

ALPA GRIEVANCE NO. ASA 00-02B A contact, (as used herein and in Section 12.E of the Collective Bargaining Agreement between the parties effective September 15, 1998 [herein referred to as the "Agreement"]), is defined as a verbal exchange between the Company and a pilot.

The time starts when contact is made. Contact is a verbal exchange. Leaving a message on your voicemail does not constitute a verbal exchange. Scheduling can "start the clock" any time they like. The settlement agreement very clearly defines "contact" as has been referenced many times in the very situation you are describing.

Incorrect. Contact is defined as two-way communications, like you said, but the clock starts when scheduling picks up the phone to call you. I agree that leaving a message does not notify you, but as a reserve pilot, you are understood to be available within 2 hours of the need of the company (plus your hour to duty in, meaning the flight can be scheduled to depart 3 hours from when you were called.)

Now, as a lineholder, if scheduling leaves a message on your voicemail saying that you are junior manned and please report to the airport immediately, then you can safely delete the message and ignore them. Unfortunately with reserves there is a different mindset because you are expected to be available.

 

[GearUpLightsIn]

If the mediator releases us, then he finally saw thru the smog and grew some balls.

I don't think the issue is with our mediator. The issue is with the NMB. I think our mediaor sees what is going on just fine, he reports back to his bosses on the board and they come back and say more dates.