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Are you guys tired of this yet? Time for National list?

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When LCC or some other poorly run airline goes out of business they'll be able to bump the pilots of much better carriers to the street. Yeah, that's better.
 
It only takes a moment to come up with ten reasons this wouldn't work.

And there are a hundred others.
 
Dude - Step 1.

Too many of us are going to spend our entire professional lives hopping between year 5 and year 1 pay. Screw that.

Dude - Step 1.

Instead of talking about problems in Flightinfo, come up with a solution(s) that considers all of the pros, but most importantly, all of the cons. Consider union vs. non-union companies, pay parity, respect for seat and domicile protections.

Dude - Step 2.

Explain your solution at a LEC meeting. Make a motion to get your proposal sent up the chain to National for consideration.

You don't have to jump between year 1-5 in pay for your entire career...and those working at profitable, successful carriers shouldn't be punished by having those working at unprofitable, dysfunctional carriers constantly coming in on top of them on the seniority list.
 
i'm with you! all the questions asked are simple to answer. you get in the union with an atp and you use your original atp checkride date as the "old" seniority number. the "old" system is, well it's old and outdated. If military guys want to get in the union when they are young, simply take an atp checkride and pay dues while you are in the military. A LOT OF OTHER UNIONS WORK THIS WAY. its so simply, everyone wants to make it more complicated then it really is. it won't matter if you work for eagle, delta, airtran or joe schmoo airlines. a real union isn't tied to a particular company.
 
and those working at profitable, successful carriers shouldn't be punished by having those working at unprofitable, dysfunctional carriers constantly coming in on top of them on the seniority list.

why would anyone get punished? you are thinking about it backwards. if someone with 25 years under their belt shows up to wire a building, should he get payed more then a guy with 5 years of experience? it would be the same thing if company X needed a pilot and hired a guy with 25 years in the union. the problem is the current system(it's a bad system) is so ingrained in everyone you can't see how change would be good.
 
Would a single-engine ATP be sufficient for entry?

yes but it would only make you eligible where a single engine atp would be required so it wouldn't be very useful. so you would be paying dues for not a whole lot of job prospects. making you want to get an multi atp, thus being able to work more places.
 
Would a single-engine ATP be sufficient for entry?

All the details can be hammered out before a list is implemented - we could have 300 pages of discussion of the potential details and everyone would lose interest. How many people even read this far?

The first step is just creating it - and yea I'll mention it to my LEC.
 
When LCC or some other poorly run airline goes out of business they'll be able to bump the pilots of much better carriers to the street. Yeah, that's better.

no no no no no!!! if airline X goes t!ts up, the guys that lost there job don't take anyones job. they just maintain their pay scale for years in the union.
 

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