Are the Frontier pilots happy?

[dougdrvr]

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There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to what and see what decision is made.

uh.........well it's not like that hasn't happened before.

 

[Captain Morgan]

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

If you strike, then we strike.

 

[BUDDHA145]

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

Well thats something that FAPA and LOCAL357 must work ASAP, with or with out a single carrier ruling!! If we aren't one witch it could be the case, both sides need to agree that NO side will do such a travestie as long it has the Frontier name and colors (F9, CHQ, YX). Because we aren't in one list that should never ever stop us from agreing on protection from these azzholez (management).

 

[Axel]

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

5-early is right about the airbusses. RAH's contract does not have payrates for them. For the RAH guys to fly them for less, the RAH guys would have to agree to do so.

If the RAH guys do ratify lower rates, they will be deserving of all the derision that can be heaped upon them, but until and unless, it's all speculation.

 

[Little Mojito]

Do you people not understand what is going to happen to you if there is no STS? RAH pilots have been trying to tell you for months that if we do not become 1, you WILL be out of a job in a very short time.

BB and WH want us to be separate for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked airplanes over to a pilot group who will fly them for less.

It's not IF it will happen. It's WHEN.

Tell you what, Jack... Get the all mighty IBT to negotiate HIGHER pay rates than ours for the airbus, then BB won't want to transfer them to your pilot group. I'm sure you and the IBT won't cave like you did with the EMB190 (letting BB remove one seat from the airplane to not have to negotiate new rates for the EMB190). After that debacle, seems to me you should be worried more about how the IBT will screw you in this scenario, than worrying about us. Face it, Jack, the very reason you even wrote the quote above is because you and most of your IBT brothers would be more than willing to fly the airbus for less pay. Like you said, "To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked(sic) airplanes over to a pilot group who WILL fly them for less." Emphasis added by me, but you get the point--you are admitting to being more than willing to fly our aircraft for less. Shameful. Just shameful. How about you prove all of us wrong and stand up for yourselves. Let's see the IBT negotiate a contract that even comes close to ours--and I'm not just talking about pay, I'm talking overall. As a matter of fact, the regional I worked for before the one I currently work for (just threw up a bit in my mouth as I typed thatuke has a better "agreement" than your contract and they aren't even unionized. Like I said, shameful! Unfortunately, the only one I see that doesn't "understand" anything is you and the majority of your IBT brothers who are more than willing to whore yourselves out to fly the airbus. And for the record, I could care less what I fly, as long as BB and the IBT don't mess with my pay. I'd be more than happy to fly an EMB190 for $150,000 a year. Of course that would never happen because YOU are willing to fly them for $80,000 a year.

--LM

 

[freightrash]

. Face it, Jack, the very reason you even wrote the quote above is because you and most of your IBT brothers would be more than willing to fly the airbus for less pay. Like you said, "To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked(sic) airplanes over to a pilot group who WILL fly them for less."

--LM

It's true. This will be an ego game. It's natural behavior of pilots. Personally I don't care about the SLI anymore. I just don't want the
AWA/US mess here. Suprisingly there are so many RAH guys wants to
go alone and willing to fly for less. I can't imagine if XYers were flying
buses instead 717, that would be total mess now. Don't be surprised,
the current negotiation talk between IBT and BB, covers upto
widebodies(yes! not narrowbodies! e190 is narrowbody anyways:laugh

 

[Little Mojito]

Of course it covers widebodies. At the rate with which you get paid (pun intended), you'll negotiate B747 rates right around the $100,000 a year mark. You all must be so proud of yourselves and the IBT! One other thing, I'd be careful using the word "negotiate". You'd all "give" BB a cheap labor group just for the remote chance of flying a widebody! I'd hardly call that negotiating... But you RAH pilots are correct, experience doesn't count for anything... Geesh!

You say: "Don't be surprised"?! Believe me, given the IBTs and your pilot's group track record, I'm pretty sure I won't be "surprised". Unfortunately, the US/AWA atmosphere is already brewing. But you guys haven't seen anything yet. Wait until the first RAH FO comes over to the airbus--boy will that be an interesting trip for that individual. I'm sure he'll make sure the rest of you consider whether it's worth it--assuming you get past our IN-HOUSE training.

 

[jacksjj]

you and most of your IBT brothers would be more than willing to fly the airbus for less pay.
--LM

Honestly, this is not the case. Nobody here is trying to sell anyone else down the river... BUT, just like the Qs coming over to Republic and being flown by people who are NOT on our seniority list (yet), which is a BLATANT scope violation....the IBT is basically allowing the company to play us against one another.

I understand your frustrations, but I work at Republic and am more frustrated with the "mighty IBT" that you'll ever be. The thing you have to understand is RAH pilots are not the enemy here. But the complete arrogance of your FAPA representatives is giving your group a bad name within the rank and file over here.... further playing into BB and WH's tactics of divide and conquer. In response to us willing to fly the Airbus for less... It becomes more and more likely every day that guys who once said "No way will I ever sell a F9 pilot down the river." might just think about it....

Point is; Just as a small group of F9 pilots (FAPA reps) is making your story appear one way, the same holds true for RAH. In reality, the vast majority of RAH pilots HATE this place and are willing to stand by F9 pilots when it's time to go to war with a known and hated enemy. We aren't trying to fly your Airbus. We are trying to FINALLY stand up to these people. Our fear is, once the war hits the home front - THAT is when you will realize who you're up against. And by then, we will be so divided it will be far too late.

Best of luck to us all...

 

[jacksjj]

Of course it covers widebodies. At the rate with which you get paid (pun intended), you'll negotiate B747 rates right around the $100,000 a year mark. You all must be so proud of yourselves and the IBT!.......

assuming you get past our IN-HOUSE training.

Our contract is FAR expired. It was the first non-concessionary contract post 9/11. The payrates SUCK, yes.... but they were negotiated for planes we didn't even have yet, and were just thrown in with (what appeared at the time to be) an afterthought. Lesson learned. I assure you, the rates we are negotiating now (for the past 3 years) will be far more respectable. If they're not, 95% of RAH pilots are willing to sit on the street and roast marshmallows in the flames as this place burns. FUPM seems to be spreading rapidly....

For the second part, yes... not having in-house training is a joke. Just another example of how this company is a bunch of regional airline middle managers attempting to run a major airline.

 

[Bolo]

"But the complete arrogance of your FAPA representatives is giving your group a bad name within the rank and file over here...."

"In response to us willing to fly the Airbus for less... It becomes more and more likely every day that guys who once said "No way will I ever sell a F9 pilot down the river." might just think about it...."

jacksjj, please explain the first quote on the arrogance part of our FAPA representatives.. Details please?

I am having a hard time trying to figure out being stapled behind the first three hundred regional pilots is not being arrogant in itself!

Oh! I forgot for the NMB (STS) filing your group did not consider Midwest at all. You say you feel sorry for the MidEx. guys/gals and then you throw them under the BUS!
"Midwest Airlines has ceased operations and thus is not a part of the single transportation system"
Pretty classy don't you say?
Before you start spouting off how arrogant FAPA BOD representatives are please go look in the mirror yourself!

If it ever comes to dangling the carrot in front of your group to fly the Airbuses for cheaper then I believe the whole industry will look at the RAH/IBT group very closely. You can figure out the rest what they will say about you and the RAH/IBT group.

 

[F9 Driver]

Not worth the electrons...

 

[BUDDHA145]

you and most of your IBT brothers would be more than willing to fly the airbus for less pay.

Very hatefull statement and far away from the truth!!

:uzi: this management masterpice will never hapend. We can't let this hapend...

 

[Little Mojito]

There is nothing hateful about that statement. Your FOs are flying 99-seat airplanes for $35,000 a year and your CAPTs are just better than twice that. There is nothing hateful in pointing out the truth. There is nothing here far from the truth. IT IS THE TRUTH!

 

[wtfover69]

"Jack" LOL...need I say more

 

[crashpad]

I recently witnessed 4-5 RAH pilots in a confab creaming their tenders over their new seniority 'rights'. I would've joined in, but am still working on my 'six-shooter, double-finger snap "Gotcha!" move for the ladies.
I have begun to wear my sunglasses in the terminal so I fit in a little better, though.

 

[Axel]

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[ArcadiaMaxima]

I thought they were going to grow mainline Frontier....this is wrong

Press Release Source: Frontier Airlines On Wednesday March 2, 2011, 12:06 pm EST
DENVER--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Frontier Airlines, a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ:RJET - News), today announced plans to add Knoxville, Tenn. (TYS); Provo, Utah (PVU) and Sioux Falls, S.D. (FSD) to its route map with the addition of nonstop service from its Denver hub. These three markets bring the total of nonstop destinations served from Denver by Frontier to 63.

In addition, the carrier announced it will launch new nonstop service between its Kansas City hub and both Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minn. (MSP) and San Antonio, Texas (SAT) this summer. The new service rounds out the carrier’s summer schedule that features increased capacity in top markets and the return of popular summer seasonal service.

“These new markets really highlight our desire to give our guests affordable and convenient travel to more destinations than ever before,” said Daniel Shurz, vice president of strategy and planning. “Frontier is an airline that truly provides our guests choice in how they want to travel. With our affordable fares, convenient schedules, and better and different service, we are looking forward to joining these communities and giving them the opportunity to choose how they want to fly.”

In celebration of this new service, Frontier is pleased to provide low introductory fares on all five of our new routes. These are available for purchase on our website at FrontierAirlines.com/introfares. Following are the schedules and start dates for each new route.

Denver-Knoxville (effective June 6, 2011)

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Route ***** ***** Departs ***** ***** Arrives ***** ***** Frequency ***** ***** Aircraft
DEN-TYS ***** ***** 4:30 p.m. ***** ***** 9:16 p.m. ***** ***** Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun ***** ***** A319
TYS-DEN* ***** ***** 9:33 a.m. ***** ***** 10:46 a.m. ***** ***** Mon, Tue, Thu, Sat ***** ***** A319
*Service begins June 7, 2011

Denver-Provo (effective June 20, 2011)

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Route ***** ***** Departs ***** ***** Arrives ***** ***** Frequency ***** ***** Aircraft
DEN-PVU ***** ***** 7:50 p.m. ***** ***** 9:14 p.m. ***** ***** Daily ***** ***** E190
PVU-DEN* ***** ***** 8:30 a.m. ***** ***** 9:53 a.m. ***** ***** Daily ***** ***** E190
*Service begins June 21, 2011

Denver-Sioux Falls (effective July 4, 2011)

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Route ***** ***** Departs ***** ***** Arrives ***** ***** Frequency ***** ***** Aircraft
DEN-FSD ***** ***** 3:32 p.m. ***** ***** 5:59 p.m. ***** ***** Daily ***** ***** E190
FSD-DEN ***** ***** 6:30 p.m. ***** ***** 7:10 p.m. ***** ***** Daily ***** ***** E190
***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****
Kansas City-Minneapolis/St. Paul (effective June 6, 2011)

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Route ***** ***** Departs ***** ***** Arrives ***** ***** Frequency ***** ***** Aircraft
MCI-MSP ***** ***** 7:20 a.m. ***** ***** 8:45 a.m. ***** ***** Daily except Sun ***** ***** E170
MCI-MSP ***** ***** 2:30 p.m. ***** ***** 3:55 p.m. ***** ***** Daily ***** ***** E190
MSP-MCI ***** ***** 9:15 a.m. ***** ***** 10:45 a.m. ***** ***** Daily except Sun ***** ***** E170
MSP-MCI ***** ***** 4:30 p.m. ***** ***** 6:00 p.m. ***** ***** Daily ***** ***** E190
***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****
Kansas City-San Antonio (effective June 7, 2011)

***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** Route ***** ***** Departs ***** ***** Arrives ***** ***** Frequency ***** ***** Aircraft
MCI-SAT ***** ***** 9:07 a.m. ***** ***** 11:12 a.m. ***** ***** Daily except Mon, Fri ***** ***** E190
SAT-MCI ***** ***** 11:42 a.m. ***** ***** 1:42 p.m. ***** ***** Daily except Mon, Fri ***** ***** E190
***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** ***** *****
Beginning this June, Frontier will double frequencies between Denver and Des Moines, Iowa (DSM); and Madison, Wis. (MSN); and increase service between Denver and Portland, Ore. (PDX); San Francisco, Calif. (SFO); Seattle/Tacoma, Wash. (SEA) and Spokane, Wash. (GEG) to meet high demand during the peak travel season. In addition, Frontier will also be resuming popular summer service to several destinations from Denver and Milwaukee. This includes non-stop service between Denver and Anchorage, Alaska (ANC); Fairbanks, Alaska (FAI) and Green Bay, Wis. (GRB).

To view our route map, please visit FrontierAirlines.com/routemap.

About Frontier Airlines

Frontier Airlines is a wholly owned subsidiary of Republic Airways Holdings, Inc. (NASDAQ:RJET - News), an airline holding company that also owns Chautauqua Airlines, Lynx Aviation, Republic Airlines and Shuttle America. Currently in its 17th year of operations, Frontier employs more than 5,500 aviation professionals and operates more than 550 daily flights from its hubs at Denver International Airport, Milwaukee’s General Mitchell International Airport, Kansas City International Airport, and Omaha’s Eppley Airfield. Frontier offers routes to more than 70 destinations in the United States, Mexico and Costa Rica.

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[Cardinal]

I'm all for Bedford bashing, but lets maintain perspective....Of the 8 cities announced last February only one was scheduled to start with an Airbus, LGB. The rest were E190s out of the box. LGB was downgraded, (and soon to be cancelled) but at present PHF, BKG, MSN, and GRR have graduated to mainline. Not a bad performance for highly experimental routes. And after the SUX failure, exactly what equipment should FSD start with?

 

[Grey Ghost]

There is nothing hateful about that statement. Your FOs are flying 99-seat airplanes for $35,000 a year and your CAPTs are just better than twice that. There is nothing hateful in pointing out the truth. There is nothing here far from the truth. IT IS THE TRUTH!

You probably flew at Great Lakes for a whole year and then walked onto an airbus!!!! Boy, you really paid your dues??? Why don't you go hit on some chicks once in a while instead of sitting on this board for hours and hours, you may actually get one someday? Oh wait, Probably not with your mad skills! Do a little research before you run your mouth, geek! Your'e giving the Good people at F9 a bad name!uke:

 

[Little Mojito]

Ghost,

If you think I flew at GL then you've missed my whole point. I wouldn't work for GL for the same reason I wouldn't work at RAH (by choice). But, given your career choices, you wouldn't have a clue about what I'm talking about. Obviously, the only one who needs to "do a little research" is you. I don't know who is spreading this "everyone at F9 worked at GL for a year then went to F9" rumor, but since you believe that, it's not surprising you also believe the BS that the IBT feeds you. "Do a little research" and you'll discover that the vast majority of F9 pilots DID NOT work at GL. Are there some who did work there for a year before coming to Frontier? I'm sure there are, but they are very, very few. You don't want to hear that, though, because it's easier to justify working at a s**ty regional when you convince yourself that "everybody" does it. The ugly truth is not everybody goes to work at a sh**ty regional--some CAN and DO get hired at regionals with decent work rules and pay. But, again, given your career choices, you would't have a clue about that. As far as me "hitting on chicks", well, I guess you've just proven my point even more. Most F9 pilots are mature MEN who have left such idiocies behind, along with their backpacks, spiked hair, and their constant need to brag about being a pilot.

Tell you what, Ghost, grow up a bit, stop being so naive, then come back and post something somewhat intelligent. And, for the record, what I post on this forum is strictly my opinion, and not that of the "Good people at F9", so how could I be giving anyone a bad name? Using your 5th grade logic, everyone at RAH is an idiot because your post is so idiotic. Doesn't make sense does it? Leave the "Good people of F9" out of this--if they have something to say, they will say it. They don't need me to be a spokesman for them. Got it?

Haha. I just realized that someone with 640 posts is telling me to spend less time on this forum. I had to edit my post to add this because that is classic (and not in a good way like two of my cars).