Are the Frontier pilots happy?

[stratus72]

4 more E-190s painted in F9 colors (NOT jet exporess)..... a Bull/Bison, hummingbrid, Bambi, coyote..... not a STS? 2 more in MCI paint as this is being typed......

I can't say how the NMB will rule. However, having the same paint job doesn't mean that much at this particular point. RAH is feeding our mainline carrier, just like they would with a contract carrier, flying under their colors. Based on previous NMB decisions that I've read (I know each board is different), they are looking for similar or same management, uniforms, scheduling, SOC, routes, etc...many of which are favorable to us since they are different. Again, who knows? We'll probably find out soon.

 

[stratus72]

Last time I called dispatch, they said Frontier. Last time I looked my manuals they said F9. My uniform must have faded with all the years in the sunlight. They sure look different than any of the RAH entities. Oh, I forgot my hat? That is right I am not required to wear one. My DO and CP are in Denver as well. I have never seen RAH crews at any of the hotels we stay at.

And your point is?

Exactly! There is much more to add to that list too...

 

[The Drizzle]

Exactly! There is much more to add to that list too...

Like that single point of failure in the dispatch system that brought down all RAH airlines. This will be a curious ruling either way.

 

[SizzleChest]

Last time I called dispatch, they said Frontier. Last time I looked my manuals they said F9. My uniform must have faded with all the years in the sunlight. They sure look different than any of the RAH entities. Oh, I forgot my hat? That is right I am not required to wear one. My DO and CP are in Denver as well. I have never seen RAH crews at any of the hotels we stay at.

And your point is?

those are all air carrier certificate specific items. Of course those will not be the same. Just like Eagle was several different certificates. Your uniform policy is in your FOM, again, air carrier certificate specific. Look up the F/A NMB response online and you will see what they have to say. pay close attention to the dissenting opinion inside it.

 

[freightrash]

since recent BB's letter indicates he wants to keep f9/rah to be seperated
so badbly, the STS will favor to F9 guys.(you are right they will use the
example from the Eagle and Comair)
Don't lose your hope f9ers! We will be another AMR. At RAH, no one
deserves the your mighty joysticks(bus or cseries whatever).
At this point I just wanna forget about the SLI. I just wanna see the new
contract!!!!!

 

[Bolo]

since recent BB's letter indicates he wants to keep f9/rah to be seperated
so badbly, the STS will favor to F9 guys.(you are right they will use the
example from the Eagle and Comair)
Don't lose your hope f9ers! We will be another AMR. At RAH, no one
deserves the your mighty joysticks(bus or cseries whatever).
At this point I just wanna forget about the SLI. I just wanna see the new
contract!!!!!

I hope you are right about being separate. I won't bank on it since we have been burned on SLI.

 

[Captain Morgan]

since recent BB's letter indicates he wants to keep f9/rah to be seperated
so badbly, the STS will favor to F9 guys.(you are right they will use the
example from the Eagle and Comair)
Don't lose your hope f9ers! We will be another AMR. At RAH, no one
deserves the your mighty joysticks(bus or cseries whatever).
At this point I just wanna forget about the SLI. I just wanna see the new
contract!!!!!

I just want to get my time and get the f out! You guys can all play with your joysticks all you want.

 

[Bolo]

I just want to get my time and get the f out! You guys can all play with your joysticks all you want.

Depeche Mode reunion tour?

 

[jacksjj]

Do you people not understand what is going to happen to you if there is no STS? RAH pilots have been trying to tell you for months that if we do not become 1, you WILL be out of a job in a very short time.

BB and WH want us to be separate for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked airplanes over to a pilot group who will fly them for less.

It's not IF it will happen. It's WHEN.

 

[5-early]

Do you people not understand what is going to happen to you if there is no STS? RAH pilots have been trying to tell you for months that if we do not become 1, you WILL be out of a job in a very short time.

BB and WH want us to be separate for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked airplanes over to a pilot group who will fly them for less.

It's not IF it will happen. It's WHEN.

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

 

[dougdrvr]

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There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to what and see what decision is made.

uh.........well it's not like that hasn't happened before.

 

[Captain Morgan]

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

If you strike, then we strike.

 

[BUDDHA145]

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

Well thats something that FAPA and LOCAL357 must work ASAP, with or with out a single carrier ruling!! If we aren't one witch it could be the case, both sides need to agree that NO side will do such a travestie as long it has the Frontier name and colors (F9, CHQ, YX). Because we aren't in one list that should never ever stop us from agreing on protection from these azzholez (management).

 

[Axel]

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So your advice is that we just go ahead and surrender our careers in the name of "Oneness"? Is that what you say the RAH Pilots have been trying to tell us?

There is only one way that a "whipsaw" occurs in this situation. The RAH Pilots must AGREE to do our jobs (Airbus/Narrow Body flying) for less money. To my simple mind that would leave the ball and moral decision in the Republic Pilot's court. We'll have to wait and see what decision is made.

5-early is right about the airbusses. RAH's contract does not have payrates for them. For the RAH guys to fly them for less, the RAH guys would have to agree to do so.

If the RAH guys do ratify lower rates, they will be deserving of all the derision that can be heaped upon them, but until and unless, it's all speculation.

 

[Little Mojito]

Do you people not understand what is going to happen to you if there is no STS? RAH pilots have been trying to tell you for months that if we do not become 1, you WILL be out of a job in a very short time.

BB and WH want us to be separate for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked airplanes over to a pilot group who will fly them for less.

It's not IF it will happen. It's WHEN.

Tell you what, Jack... Get the all mighty IBT to negotiate HIGHER pay rates than ours for the airbus, then BB won't want to transfer them to your pilot group. I'm sure you and the IBT won't cave like you did with the EMB190 (letting BB remove one seat from the airplane to not have to negotiate new rates for the EMB190). After that debacle, seems to me you should be worried more about how the IBT will screw you in this scenario, than worrying about us. Face it, Jack, the very reason you even wrote the quote above is because you and most of your IBT brothers would be more than willing to fly the airbus for less pay. Like you said, "To transfer every single one of your precious sidesticked(sic) airplanes over to a pilot group who WILL fly them for less." Emphasis added by me, but you get the point--you are admitting to being more than willing to fly our aircraft for less. Shameful. Just shameful. How about you prove all of us wrong and stand up for yourselves. Let's see the IBT negotiate a contract that even comes close to ours--and I'm not just talking about pay, I'm talking overall. As a matter of fact, the regional I worked for before the one I currently work for (just threw up a bit in my mouth as I typed thatuke has a better "agreement" than your contract and they aren't even unionized. Like I said, shameful! Unfortunately, the only one I see that doesn't "understand" anything is you and the majority of your IBT brothers who are more than willing to whore yourselves out to fly the airbus. And for the record, I could care less what I fly, as long as BB and the IBT don't mess with my pay. I'd be more than happy to fly an EMB190 for $150,000 a year. Of course that would never happen because YOU are willing to fly them for $80,000 a year.

--LM