APA Pilots polled. No to age 60.

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AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS OVERWHELMINGLY REAFFIRM THEIR SUPPORT FOR RETIREMENT AT AGE 60


Safety of the traveling public was cited as the No. 1 reason for maintaining the current retirement rule


Fort Worth, Texas (March 15, 2007)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), released the results of two recently conducted polls that demonstrate strong continuing support for maintaining mandatory retirement at age 60 for the nation's commercial pilots.


In the first poll, 86 percent of American Airlines pilots favored the current retirement rule, while 12 percent reported that they wanted a change — an overwhelming 7-to-1 margin. When the poll results were broken down by age, they showed that even the oldest pilots expressed a desire to maintain mandatory retirement at age 60. Furthermore, the safety of the traveling public was cited as the No. 1 reason for maintaining the current regulation. This poll was conducted by the Wilson Center for Public Research, a professional survey organization with extensive experience conducting polls on behalf of a wide variety of pilot groups and other labor organizations. The poll, conducted by phone, used a stratified random sample that resulted in an accurate cross-section of the American Airlines pilot group. A total of 600 interviews were conducted, providing a sample margin of error of 4 percent.


APA also conducted an in-house, Internet-based survey. Of the 2,496 American Airlines pilots who responded, 79 percent indicated they support maintaining mandatory retirement at age 60, while 18 percent indicated they desire a change.


Federal Aviation Administrator Marion C. Blakey recently announced that the FAA will issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year that calls for raising retirement age to 65 to comply with a newly adopted international standard. Ironically, this untested standard requires that at least one pilot on the flight deck be under 60 years old, indicating that there continue to be legitimate concerns about how old is too old to operate commercial aircraft.


Since the FAA established age 60 retirement 48 years ago, not one single airline accident has been attributed to the sudden or subtle effects of aging. Multiple studies have shown that a pilot's mental and physical performance is impaired with increasing age, and there is no definitive medical or functional test that can determine which pilots could safely fly past age 60.


“The FAA should consider the concerns of the men and women in the cockpits who have personally witnessed the impact of advancing age on their fellow pilots,” said APA President Captain Ralph Hunter. “APA strongly supports the current mandatory retirement age of 60 until the FAA can definitely establish that there will be no decrease in the current level of flight safety. Without this assurance, any change would be tantamount to conducting an experiment on the traveling public.”


Founded in 1963, the Allied Pilots Association—the largest independent pilot union in the U.S.—is headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas. APA represents the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines, including more than 2,800 pilots on furlough. The furloughs began shortly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Also, several hundred American Airlines pilots are on full-time military leave of absence serving in the armed forces. The union’s Web site address is www.alliedpilots.org.


American Airlines is the nation’s largest passenger carrier.
 

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“The FAA should consider the concerns of the men and women in the cockpits who have personally witnessed the impact of advancing age on their fellow pilots,” said APA President Captain Ralph Hunter. “APA strongly supports the current mandatory retirement age of 60 until the FAA can definitely establish that there will be no decrease in the current level of flight safety. Without this assurance, any change would be tantamount to conducting an experiment on the traveling public.”


Wow. A union president said that? Not a word about how it's a done deal, that the EU has decided it for us, that we just need to "be a part of the process"?
 

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ALPA sucks.
 

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What if the age is raised to 65, can the APA negotiate a contract with AMR to keep the age at 60? Since they are in negotiations currently is this something that is being added to the contract?
 

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TWA Dude,

You are 100% right, now if only ALPA would do the same.

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Champ42272
 

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His job is to represent the interests of the pilots and the pilots have spoken.

What a concept....
 

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What if the age is raised to 65, can the APA negotiate a contract with AMR to keep the age at 60? Since they are in negotiations currently is this something that is being added to the contract?

There is a lot of talk about that, I am not sure where that may be going. It would most likely meet a lawsuit by some if AA forced them to quit at 60, however if the contract allowe pilots to retire at 60 with their retirement and there was penalty or no additional accruel past 60 that may work just as well.

Age 60 will most likely pass, however I am glad to see our union poll the membership and then represent and defend what the membership wants.

Best of Luck to all of us,

AAflyer
 

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Safety of the traveling public. Then why do cargo guys have to retire at age 60? Why are any of us allowed to fly past age 60 in the same airspace as airliners? After all the airlines have said a blip is a blip for their user fee proposal. All accidents have occured involving pilots under age 60. Now which age group is the safety issue?
 

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Beat ya to it!

Since this is a thread involving AA/APA I thought I'd go ahead and start the obligatory fight by saying that AA/APA sucks and TWA was the greatest thing since Orville and Wilbur took to the skies in the great state of North Carolina...
 

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All accidents have occured involving pilots under age 60. Now which age group is the safety issue?

I've heard some great ones before, but this has got to be the dumbest statement regarding the age 60 rule, by those either for or against, ever made...
 

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Safety of the traveling public. Then why do cargo guys have to retire at age 60?

"Safety of the Traveling Public".....but today we have American citizens flying on Airlines where the PIC is over age 60...in U.S. airspace, with the approval of the American government...and doing it safely...every single day.

I noticed that the APA said absolutely nothing about that. Does that mean that they are OK with it?

What about the Canadian ALPA carriers that allow the PIC to be over age 60...and they fly in U.S. airspace.....?

I guess there aren't enough fingers to plug all the leaks in the dike.

Tejas
 

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"Safety of the Traveling Public".....but today we have American citizens flying on Airlines where the PIC is over age 60...in U.S. airspace, with the approval of the American government...and doing it safely...every single day.

Fer sher! Like those geniuses at China Air, wtih their super-duper engine-securing seatbelts? Or maybe those keen decision-makers at British Airways who value avoiding payouts to pax if the flight doesn't get them home quickly...so they flog a Whale from LAX to Ooops!...short-of-the-destination?

We need to be more like them?

What about the Canadian ALPA carriers that allow the PIC to be over age 60...and they fly in U.S. airspace.....?

Cool! Sign me up for universal health care, the Queen on our money, and nary a glimpse of the Stanley Cup in many years...and we'll talk.

"But Mom! Stevie has a bigger piece of pie than me!" is not a valid argument for a change that would disrupt the industry.

The safest mode of transportation on this blue marble is flying on a Part 121 airliner in the United States of America.

Ain't broke...don't "fix" it.
 

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Since this is a thread involving AA/APA I thought I'd go ahead and start the obligatory fight by saying that AA/APA sucks and TWA was the greatest thing since Orville and Wilbur took to the skies in the great state of North Carolina...

You know how many ex-TWA employees it takes to change a light bulb?

3

One to replace it and two to talk about how good the old one was!


Seriously though, from what I've heard TWA was great and they really did get the shaft.
 

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So....we're to understand that these pilots were over 60???

Keep up!

The premise is that we are inexorably obligated to mirror the policies and rules of ICAO airlines because they are safer...and their breath is fresh & minty.

Ain't so.

The Asian and European airlines certainly haven't cornered the market on aviation forehead-slap-inducing actions, but there is no compelling reason to do what they do just because they do it!
 

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Useless information. A feather duster has more power and influence than the APA.
 

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"Safety of the Traveling Public".....but today we have American citizens flying on Airlines where the PIC is over age 60...in U.S. airspace, with the approval of the American government...and doing it safely...every single day.

I noticed that the APA said absolutely nothing about that. Does that mean that they are OK with it?

What about the Canadian ALPA carriers that allow the PIC to be over age 60...and they fly in U.S. airspace.....?

I guess there aren't enough fingers to plug all the leaks in the dike.

Tejas

Typical response from an oldtimer. Shoots before he aims. How many Americans do you think are actually flying on foreign carriers with pilots over 60 since they just changed the rule recently? What, did the Europeans fire all the under 60 crowd. Probably less than .1% with the thousands of flights a day operated by U.S. carriers. We should do it since the EU has. Good reason! Maybe we should build a Maginal line to keep out terrorist too. It worked for the french. This is not about age discrimination or safety. Just greed..on both sides of the fence.

D
 

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There ya have it Rez... and THIS is why ALPA-PAC won't see a friggin' penny from me.
 
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