Anyone know this guy running for ALPA pres?

[pianoman]

All of the above is ....hmmmmm..."nice".

But have you gone and presented a resolution at your LEC meeting? That way it is on the record, vioted on, and , if passed, taken to the MEC level where the entire MEC muct discuss and vote on the issue.

"Calling"..."E-mailing"..."making feelings clear"...gets it off your chest...but doesn't get it to a vote at the MEC level.

Tejas

Yes I have. Actually I was a rep for two years. I second your opinon about presenting a resolution. The LEC meeting is the place where the membership has the most power to get something started.

 

[Cookie Monster]

John is a stand up guy, more than I can say for Duane. Duane has done well with the finances of ALPA, but what good is a warchest if your afraid to go to war.

If you want John elected, tell your local council reps, they are the ones who vote for president.

 

[COpilot]

I've spent many hours with John in the cockpit, listening, and learning the history of my airline, and the industry of the last 25 years.

John is smart, well spoken, and honest. He understands the politics of office, and the relationships between the top and bottom. I belive he will represent all of us at different carriers fairly and equally.

Good luck to all of us, we need it.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I don't have a clue. Both of their track records speak for themself though.

Candidates run on thier dreams and ideals, incumbants run on thier record.

DW has done an excellent job building political coalitions in WashingtonDC. While the average line pilot has no clue about this or the value, it furthers the agenda of ALPA.

I doubt you really are Duane but I have no doubt you have the ear of some of those anal plugs in Herndon. I would hope you tell them that there is a groundswell of disgust with their obnoxious salaries and dismal performance.

Your insults speak more about you than anyone in Herndon. However, despite your ignorant remarks and attitude, ALPA Nat'l has alienated themselves with the average line pilot.

As far as the salaries, we'll see this BOD if any one has the guts to cut the salaries.

The problem is though, again and again, the average line pilot is about as smart, politically, as a box of frozen rocks.

The average line pilot responds to the current economic choas like a mob fenzy. They remind me of the lower class that riot thier own neighborhoods and hang thier own when socio-political tensions erupt.

Air Line pilots are like inner city blacks. Always blaming someone else, always attacking thier fellow pilots like black on black on crime, ignorant and uneducated, pissing where they eat only to complain the food sucks.



So much for calm cool professionals....

All of the problems of any union start in the mirror. Education and activism. Once a line pilot gets informed on the issues and realizes bashing ALPA is for the ignorant, he'll realize that only positive change occurs from stepping up to the plate and saying "How can I help"

Your 1.95% is expected. Your volunteerism is required.

 

[AA717driver]

Duane Woerth hasn't been a line pilot for at least 15 years. Prior to that, he was NWA's MEC chairman.

Rez characterizes Prater as a "politician" and implies he's not to be trusted.

At least he's been on the line for the past 3 years.TC

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Duane Woerth hasn't been a line pilot for at least 15 years. Prior to that, he was NWA's MEC chairman.

Rez characterizes Prater as a "politician" and implies he's not to be trusted.

At least he's been on the line for the past 3 years.TC

All valid points....

 

[JP4user]

Candidates run on thier dreams and ideals, incumbants run on thier record.

Duane's record sucks as far as acting like a true union leader. The disgusting slide of pay and benefits combined with weak and ineffectual leadership is all to apparent. What record is he going to run on? How he has maintained a bloated W2 compared to his peers he represents?

DW has done an excellent job building political coalitions in WashingtonDC. While the average line pilot has no clue about this or the value, it furthers the agenda of ALPA.

The average line pilot wants his dignity back. He also wants a fair wage and to be able to count on their retirement. Those handy dandy political coalitions make for great public relations stories and expensive diners for the Herndon boys club, but they do not pay the bills for the line pilots.

Your insults speak more about you than anyone in Herndon. However, despite your ignorant remarks and attitude, ALPA Nat'l has alienated themselves with the average line pilot.

I was trying to be nice. I wish I could write what I really think of him. However judging by your second sentenance I think you are actually seeing the light. The membership within the union is rotting to the core fed on mistrust and again seeing weak leadership from Herndon.

As far as the salaries, we'll see this BOD if any one has the guts to cut the salaries.

Why doesn't he have the guts to cut them himself? Lead by example and see what it is like to survive on what his membership has been hacked down to.

The problem is though, again and again, the average line pilot is about as smart, politically, as a box of frozen rocks.

The average line pilot responds to the current economic choas like a mob fenzy. They remind me of the lower class that riot thier own neighborhoods and hang thier own when socio-political tensions erupt.

No we need to have a mob mentality. This touchy feely cowering in the corner approach has decimate this profession. It is long overdue for some real knock down unionism. All the political coalitions in the world wil not stop the backward slide until we make them.

Air Line pilots are like inner city blacks. Always blaming someone else, always attacking thier fellow pilots like black on black on crime, ignorant and uneducated, pissing where they eat only to complain the food sucks.

I disagree.

All of the problems of any union start in the mirror. Education and activism. Once a line pilot gets informed on the issues and realizes bashing ALPA is for the ignorant, he'll realize that only positive change occurs from stepping up to the plate and saying "How can I help"

Hard for people to get involved when they don't trust the people that represent them Further, it is even harder to get someone who has taken a loss of their retirements or huge paycuts to show any willingness to follow a leader or organization that is paying absurd salaries to such leaders.

Your 1.95% is expected. Your volunteerism is required.

Not from me any longer. I wised up a long time ago.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Duane's record sucks as far as acting like a true union leader. The disgusting slide of pay and benefits combined with weak and ineffectual leadership is all to apparent. What record is he going to run on? How he has maintained a bloated W2 compared to his peers he represents?

I really don't think you have the ability to measure how the President of ALPA's job performance should be measured. You measure it by your personal circumstance. The disgusting slide of benefits was voted on and agreed to by your peers. The fact that you try to blame the President shows your ignorance.


The average line pilot wants his dignity back. He also wants a fair wage and to be able to count on their retirement. Those handy dandy political coalitions make for great public relations stories and expensive diners for the Herndon boys club, but they do not pay the bills for the line pilots.


Well first of all, don't come to work looking for your dignity. Why not find it before you come to work so you don't have to "claim" it. Sure, your dignity is all about being a jet pilot making the big bucks. But then you and your peers voted that away.

Are you telling me that DW has your dignity. He is responsible?. How old are you?

I was trying to be nice. I wish I could write what I really think of him. However judging by your second sentenance I think you are actually seeing the light. The membership within the union is rotting to the core fed on mistrust and again seeing weak leadership from Herndon.



Yup.. but you think the membership would be objective enough. Instead they whine about their circumstance blaming ALPA for the actions of terrorist, management, gov't and the economy. How pathetic. You'd think Air Line Pilots would be smart. Most are...many ae not.


Why doesn't he have the guts to cut them himself? Lead by example and see what it is like to survive on what his membership has been hacked down to.


Because he can't. This is what I am talking about: You do not know what you are talking about! The fact that he can't and you don't know why says you are the problem not ALPA.





No we need to have a mob mentality. This touchy feely cowering in the corner approach has decimate this profession. It is long overdue for some real knock down unionism. All the political coalitions in the world wil not stop the backward slide until we make them.


How'd the mob mentaility work for PATCO? Once you go illegal or unethical, all bets are off... Besides you had your chance. Now you are just bitter..


I disagree.

I know. If you agreed you'd have to take responsibility.

Hard for people to get involved when they don't trust the people that represent them Further, it is even harder to get someone who has taken a loss of their retirements or huge paycuts to show any willingness to follow a leader or organization that is paying absurd salaries to such leaders.

So what do you suggest? How about working toward regaining the trust and respect. It takes two. If you don't trust or respect your union leaders.. THEN DON"T VOTE THEM IN! or RECALL THEM. The trick is YOU have to do something!

Not from me any longer. I wised up a long time ago.

Yup.. you had your chance and you blew it. Maybe the guys that are still active can change thier modus operandi....

 

[WorldOnTime]

Hey, this Prater guy's got a kick ass mustache. I'm in!

 

[PCL_128]

DW has done an excellent job building political coalitions in WashingtonDC. While the average line pilot has no clue about this or the value, it furthers the agenda of ALPA.

Rez, you know that I agree that influence in DC is certainly important for the profession, but the time has come to prioritize. Captain Woerth has done an excellent job in DC, but should that really be our top priority? The number one responsibility of any labor organization is collective bargaining. Under the leadership of Captain Woerth, ALPA has failed miserably in this responsibility. While ALPA accounts have continued to grow and relationships have been built on Capital Hill (all good things, don't get me wrong), the profession has taken a hit on the collective bargaining front that will take several decades to recover from. Individual pilot groups certainly share in the blame, but a true leader should take responsibility and admit that the "buck stops here."

Is Captain Prater the right guy for the job? I honestly don't know yet. I've received several campaign mailings from him, and I've liked what I've seen, but I still need more information before deciding if he can lead us in the direction we need to go. At this point, I'm just keeping an open mind. I won't get on the "anybody but Woerth" bandwagon, but I would like to see a change if someone is qualified. Hopefully Captain Prater turns out to be the right guy.

 

[Catbird]

Please Rez- Get out from under Duane's desk. Your suffering from Hypoxia and blood loss from those lacerated knee's and blistered lips. Suck it up for the old Prez and scurry on out to the front office and freshen up. Duane can function for a little while before he needs another "Caucus" session.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

DW has done an excellent job building political coalitions in WashingtonDC. While the average line pilot has no clue about this or the value, it furthers the agenda of ALPA.

Maybe you haven't been around for a while, being a second generation pilot in a family of pilots, My career, job, lifestyle, family's retirement, have all taken it in the shorts. I guess those connections really paid off for.... YOU?

You seem to want everyone to think of you as some sort of know it all, with inside scoop. I think you have no idea, and just read a couple of books to install yourself as a hero. You're not even in the ball park.

 

[Palomino]

However, despite your ignorant remarks and attitude, ALPA Nat'l has alienated themselves with the average line pilot.

The problem is though, again and again, the average line pilot is about as smart, politically, as a box of frozen rocks.

The average line pilot responds to the current economic choas like a mob fenzy. They remind me of the lower class that riot thier own neighborhoods and hang thier own when socio-political tensions erupt.

Air Line pilots are like inner city blacks. Always blaming someone else, always attacking thier fellow pilots like black on black on crime, ignorant and uneducated, pissing where they eat only to complain the food sucks.

Your 1.95% is expected.

When you think of the average line pilot (the highly educated and specially trained individuals) as ignorant and uneducated and a 'box of frozen rocks' then maybe you can begin to understand why we want Woerth and his subordinates off of the ALPA throne.

You sound like a political elitist who is afraid of losing his post. Prater scares guys like you. He's a pilot first, then a politician. Prater is in tune with his peers. May he bring a REV O LEWSHUN to ALPA national.

 

[b19]

You need to apoligize Rez

You talk about the average line pilot being politically ignorant, and then make racist remarks about "inner city blacks".

Why don't you look at our military and realize how many inner city blacks are fighting in Iraq and elswhere.

Until you apologize you sir, are an ASSSS.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Rez, you know that I agree that influence in DC is certainly important for the profession, but the time has come to prioritize. Captain Woerth has done an excellent job in DC, but should that really be our top priority? The number one responsibility of any labor organization is collective bargaining. Under the leadership of Captain Woerth, ALPA has failed miserably in this responsibility. While ALPA accounts have continued to grow and relationships have been built on Capital Hill (all good things, don't get me wrong), the profession has taken a hit on the collective bargaining front that will take several decades to recover from. Individual pilot groups certainly share in the blame, but a true leader should take responsibility and admit that the "buck stops here."

I think one of the reasons there is a disconnect is too many of us expect the ALPA President to be the "buck stops here" guy. Why can't the buck stop at the MEC level? They negotiated the concessionary contract. Thier membership voted it in. Then it goes to National and the president says.. "HOLY SH!T what is this piece of crap! Are you sure this is the best you can do?" National is the back stop..... Why do ALPA pilots expect the President to do what they failed to do themselves?

Here is the Presidents duties... and ratitification... seems to me ratification is more on the membership than President. however, DW has refused to sign contracts and that has caused an airline to cease operation.. specifically Midway in RDU...

SECTION 4 ‑ JURISDICTION AND DUTIES

A. The President shall be the Chief Executive and Administrative Head of the Association. He shall supervise the affairs of the Association, its functions and shall coordinate its activities. He shall be responsible for and supervise the managerial functions within the Association. The President shall consult with and be assisted by the First Vice President, Vice President-Administration/Secretary, Vice President-Finance/Treasurer and the Executive Council in furthering the objectives and policies of the Board of Directors and the Executive Board. He shall have such other administrative assistants he may deem necessary.

B. The President shall determine and implement the organizational structure of the Home Office in accordance with the declared policies of the Board of Directors and Executive Board.

C. The President is charged with carrying out the policies of the Board of Directors and the Executive Board. He shall, unless otherwise provided in this Constitution and By‑Laws, serve as Chairman of the Board of Directors, the Executive Board, and the Executive Council.



D. The President shall provide an annual report to each member immediately following the annual audit which shall include, but shall not be limited to, the following: Report of the President on the state of the Association; reports by major ALPA Committees; income/expense statement and balance sheet, all of which shall be presented in a manner which is useful to the membership. The report shall be posted to ALPA’s official Internet site, www.alpa.org, with the financial information available to members only via the Intranet. This electronic posting shall fulfill the President’s reporting requirement except to those members who have elected to receive their ALPA communications via U.S. Mail.

E. The President may ballot the Board of Directors or the Executive Board for any cause he deems necessary. Should flight security problems of an international, regional or operational character require, or for any other reason in which only a portion of the membership is concerned, the President may ballot the Master Executive Councils involved. Should these flight security problems be of such a serious nature that the President may desire to call withdrawal of service of all carriers, he shall be so authorized after he conducts a ballot of the Executive Board.

F. The President shall be required to ballot the Board of Directors as provided in Part 2B of the Strike Policy.

G. Additionally, the President shall perform any duties mentioned elsewhere in the Constitution and By‑Laws.

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ARTICLE XVIII - AGREEMENT APPROVAL AND VALIDATION​

SECTION 1 ‑ COLLECTIVE BARGAINING

Conference or negotiations shall not be initiated, carried on, or concluded in the name of ALPA by any member, group, or groups of members thereof to make or establish employment agreements relating to rates of pay, rules, or other conditions of employment, or any other agreements, contracts, or documents of a similar or related character, or any other form of agreements, contracts, or documents without the prior approval of the President. Any and all agreements, contracts, or documents of any and every character whatsoever shall not become effective, binding or operative unless and until they bear the signature of the President.

SECTION 2 ‑ RATIFICATION

A. Any contract, letter of agreement or letter of understanding that, in the opinion of the MEC, substantially affects the pay, working conditions, retirement, or career security of member pilots will be subject to membership ratification under the following terms and conditions:

(1) The MEC will, at its option, ballot the membership of their airline to determine if it is their desire to have membership ratification. Once membership ratification is established it will remain in effect until changed by another ballot of the membership through MEC action.

(2) Unless the membership is balloted, as described in Section 2A(1) of this Article, membership ratification of individual contracts and agreements will remain the option of the MEC.

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Is Captain Prater the right guy for the job? I honestly don't know yet. I've received several campaign mailings from him, and I've liked what I've seen, but I still need more information before deciding if he can lead us in the direction we need to go. At this point, I'm just keeping an open mind. I won't get on the "anybody but Woerth" bandwagon, but I would like to see a change if someone is qualified. Hopefully Captain Prater turns out to be the right guy.

Glad to see you are taking a calm, pragmatic and professional decision making skills from the cockpit and applying them to the political facet of our careers....

My biggest concern with Prater is no National experience. I think he is a great candidate for Sec/treas.. just like Pat Burke form CAL who is going from no ALPA National expereince to First VP.

The First VP is in charge of IFALPA. That is a big step.... going from Local CAL guy to international traveling salesman of ALPA.....