Any SWA or Airtran pilots see recent SLI at Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle?

[On Your Six]

It just came out via Arbitrator Bloch. All Captains, even turboprop Captains at Colgan with lowest pay and no jet prospects, were placed above all FOs. Ty Webb probably read the whole award, twice. If I were an Airtran pilot, I would push for Arbitration. Why not? Precedence is always looked at, and this one is very recent. There were some fences, but I think they were for only 5 years. Good luck everyone. Godspeed!


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[lowlycfi]

Why do have such a hard on for what's happening at SWA?

 

[On Your Six]

Why do have such a hard on for what's happening at SWA?

I have friends at both airlines, and it is an important merger in our industry. Is that good enough for you? Maybe we should only allow those pilots to talk about it, right? Maybe you think you are a ruler of a Middle Eastern Country with powers to do that? Too bad. A very recent SLI award is important for everyone else in the same situation. It might not be the exact same merger, but a result in the SLI may be similar with arbitrators, especially arbitrator Bloch.


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[radarlove]

Because he works at AirTran.

 

[SWA/FO]

OY6 = OWNED, just like tranny.

 

[On Your Six]

OY6 = OWNED, just like tranny.

Yes, I fly an A320 at Airtran... I would think you two FOs would really be interested in that recent Bloch decision. You better read it. Colgan was "owned" by Pinnacle, too. Godspeed.


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[Hose A. Jiminez]

It just came out via Arbitrator Bloch. All Captains, even turboprop Captains at Colgan with lowest pay and no jet prospects, were placed above all FOs. Ty Webb probably read the whole award, twice. If I were an Airtran pilot, I would push for Arbitration. Why not? Precedence is always looked at, and this one is very recent. There were some fences, but I think they were for only 5 years. Good luck everyone. Godspeed!


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Something like that would likely result in the list never being combined. Not good for either party. It's personal opinion as to who it's worse for. Gary and VdV have bluntly stated that they want a NEGOTIATED agreement. Smart choice takes the bird in the hand. Why tempt fate when so many have tried and failed before?

 

[Kharma Police]

Something like that would likely result in the list never being combined. Not good for either party. It's personal opinion as to who it's worse for. Gary and VdV have bluntly stated that they want a NEGOTIATED agreement. Smart choice takes the bird in the hand. Why tempt fate when so many have tried and failed before?

Nice try, SWAPA, Southwest and ATN ALPA signed the agreement with the possibility of arbitration. Back out if the decision doesn't go the way you like it, then have fun on the leper colony with the USAPA pariahs.

 

[Ty Webb]

Something like that would likely result in the list never being combined. Not good for either party.

One thing I'm not hearing here is how separate operations would affect other parties, namely, other employee groups . . . and shareholders.

If the pilot lists are separate, and there are separate operations, what does this mean for Agents, F/A's, etc?

I do not know the answer to this, but it is something we should all want to know the answer to.

Regds,
Ty

 

[Bill Nelson]

All Captains, even turboprop Captains at Colgan with lowest pay and no jet prospects, were placed above all FOs.

Colgan/Mesaba/Pinnacle are all regional airlines. There is only one airline in the SWA/AAI deal that flies "regional" type airframes. These results while interesting will have no bearing on any SWA/AAI arbitration award.

Bloch mashed a bunch of apples together. SWA's acquisition will result in mashing apples with an orange (citrus) fruit. They are 2 different types of companies and 2 different types of career expectations within the groups. That is if they are ever mashed together.

 

[Ty Webb]

Colgan/Mesaba/Pinnacle are all regional airlines. There is only one airline in the SWA/AAI deal that flies "regional" type airframes.

They have the same capacity as your -500 series tuna cans, when you take out business class.

 

[Bill Nelson]

AirForce One has the same capacity as a CRJ. I doubt anyone would argue they are the same except if you were a Tranny trying to argue that you aren't flying around an RJ.

 

[On Your Six]

Colgan/Mesaba/Pinnacle are all regional airlines. There is only one airline in the SWA/AAI deal that flies "regional" type airframes. These results while interesting will have no bearing on any SWA/AAI arbitration award.

Bloch mashed a bunch of apples together. SWA's acquisition will result in mashing apples with an orange (citrus) fruit. They are 2 different types of companies and 2 different types of career expectations within the groups. That is if they are ever mashed together.

LOL! What a classic response. Did Colgan pilots, low paid prop pilots with no expectations of a jet anywhere in their future, ever expect to be placed higher up above current higher paid jet Captains in their SLI? I bet they didn't, but Bloch thought it was fair. Arbitration is the way to go.



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[Ty Webb]

You would be smart to ask for lower rates for those pesky 717's. Just ask Tweet. He's a regular brain sturgeon.

 

[GoodTimes]

There's an agreement which will eventually end up with a list on a piece of paper. That's all anyone agreed to.

 

[On Your Six]

Something like that would likely result in the list never being combined. Not good for either party. It's personal opinion as to who it's worse for. Gary and VdV have bluntly stated that they want a NEGOTIATED agreement. Smart choice takes the bird in the hand. Why tempt fate when so many have tried and failed before?

You are starting to squirm and get nervous.

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[GoodTimes]

Since I've got On Your Sixth on ignore I can't speak to his posts, but the title of the thread makes me think...


Mesaba, Colgan, Pinnacle....apples to apples to apples

SWA, Airtran....not so much

 

[On Your Six]

There's an agreement which will eventually end up with a list on a piece of paper. That's all anyone agreed to.

Is that sweat raining down from your head and pits? GK wants this done and over with, and Wall Street wants this merger too. Every Airtran pilot should push their NC for the only fair approach to this SLI, binding arbitration. Just ask the Colgan prop guys for their advice.


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[On Your Six]

Since I've got On Your Sixth on ignore I can't speak to his posts, but the title of the thread makes me think...


Mesaba, Colgan, Pinnacle....apples to apples to apples

SWA, Airtran....not so much

Of course he has me on ignore, he is ignoring the truth and future as well. Is Colgan as big as Pinnacle? No. Are they both Regionals? Yes. Are some Colgan Saab Captains now senior to some Pinnacle CRJ Captains? Apparently so according to the thread on the Regional forum. Is Airtran as big as Southwest? No. Are they both LCCs? Pretty much, except Southwest is not really low cost anymore. I think binding arbitration would be the way to go for the Airtran pilots. It's just more fair. JMO. Godspeed for the best decision for your group.


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[GoodTimes]

Double OYS posts following mine? Are you talking to me, OYS? You're gonna have to speak louder. I can't HEAR you. Oh how I love the Ignore button.