Any SWA or Airtran pilots see recent SLI at Mesaba/Colgan/Pinnacle?

[Max Powers]

Max,

I can hear you. You can type all day, but you're never going to convince me that AAI and SWA are or where in the same league. The growth vs. replacement argument is a stretch, at best. I'm a pretty simple guy so I'll stick to my simple analogies. Said it before and I'll say it again; SWA and AAI is apples to citrus. I'm fully aware of the hand I've been dealt and I'm very comfortable with my prospects. Thanks.

Your welcome....and you are correct it is apples to citrus. At least that we can agree to.:beer:

 

[Ty Webb]

If you want to get technical, it's "corndogs to citrus".

 

[RLAblows]

I'm not saying the new guys are optimistic... We as in those on the list as of September. I feel very confident in our position, our arguments, our team, our union, and our management.

Didn't the "new" guys get the call to come to work because of the announcement in September?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Lear, I won't say we are superior. I will, however, remind our readers of the HUNDREDS of AirTran pilots who either applied and weren't qualified, or interviewed unsuccessfully for a job with SWA.

In fact Lear, for conversations sake please remind me how many times you interviewed at SWA? Or for that matter, how about the members of your Merger Committee?

Apples to apples??? Sure, keep telling yourself that.

And, the readers should be reminded that with 1700 pilots, if HUNDREDS applied, that means over a THOUSAND did not, using your figures.

 

[Lear70]

No, not true, SWA considers Airtran inferior, not the pilots, you guys are held in high esteem, don't mix the two even though you work there.

Fair enough. :beer:

What are SWA pilots afraid of? Not "not getting something", they are afraid of losing what they have. Period. Let me be clear, if you threaten that, what we have, you will be gone.

I understand that some of your mid-level and junior F/O's are worried about slowing their upgrade progression. The fact is, no matter HOW you slice an SLI, without stapling the vast majority of our F/O list (which most reasonable people understand just isnt going to happen), that slower upgrades are just a fact of life. I just don't see the plug being pulled on a multi-BILLION dollar deal (long term outlook) for a few years additional upgrade time for a few hundred pilots.

I have flown with some new FO's hoping for an award that favors AAI as well. They know they are at the bottom....unless we don't integrate.

I've been saying that for a few months now after watching Flightinfo. I suspect a few people's goal is to try to push this thing to arbitration then scream as loudly as possible, hoping it "kills the deal". I think it's misguided, but it's a free country...

Hopefully cooler heads will prevail. Good luck to all.

 

[PCL_128]

Who's fearing arbitration? Gary's got the keys to integrating the list if he wants to..

Yes, and he already turned the key when he signed the Process Agreement. You guys are clinging to false hope. The integration is happening. Live with it.

In fact Lear, for conversations sake please remind me how many times you interviewed at SWA? Or for that matter, how about the members of your Merger Committee?

I don't think any of our MC members have ever interviewed at SWA.

 

[Bill Nelson]

Keep your day job.

It says "the letters of agreement delineated in Sec II(d) shall be null and void" ..... Section II(d) is null and void. I dont want to put it in CAPS because that would be cruel.

The next section is Sec III .... Mediation. Then Arbitration.

Keep up the adult literacy classes. You'll get there.

The list is not the biggest item on the table for the AirTran pilots in my opinion. ALPA can be at the table when longevity, years of required probation, 717 pay rates, fence agreements, equipment locks, and all of the other biggies if there is a negotiated deal. Any of these items negotiated with ALPA during SLI negotiations will be null and void if this goes to arbitration.

If this goes to arbitration, SWAPA and SWA will negotiate all of these items for the AirTran pilots. Gary Kelly has pledged to protect his pilots and I expect that is exactly what he will do.

A negotiated deal is the only way to go for AirTran guys in my opinion.

 

[Lonestar]

Is it starting to make sense yet dickO?

 

[redflyer65]

Yes, and he already turned the key when he signed the Process Agreement. You guys are clinging to false hope. The integration is happening. Live with it.

And what happens if the Process Agreement goes away? Who holds the keys then?

There's absolutely NO way Gary is gonna let this ruin his (and Herb's) legacy at this company.

RF

 

[dicko]

If this goes to arbitration, SWAPA and SWA will negotiate all of these items for the AirTran pilots. Gary Kelly has pledged to protect his pilots and I expect that is exactly what he will do.

A negotiated deal is the only way to go for AirTran guys in my opinion.

Hilarious stuff Bill,

You're saying that SWAPA will negotiate a different contract for AirTran pilots whilst they are on the same seniority list ? If they don't represent us they can't negotiate our contract. If they do represent us we will have the same contract. Do you understand the Duty of Fair Representation (DFR) ?

You're not thinking this through Bill. The threats are getting wilder by the minute.