Any Aloha info??

[Sleepyhead]

. "Hawaiian needs solid Island-bred leadership."


What every airline needs is a good leader period.
It doesn't matter where they come from or even their
background. Look at Herb at SWA. He was a lawyer!
Ah, there you made me say something nice about
lawyers. Now I will shut up.

 

[HAL]

got_jumpseat;
At the risk of starting a civil war here, I agree with hog. What we need is the best airline president. Period.

Nothing against finding a kamaaina to run the company, but if the person only has experience in the islands, that'll just lead us down the path to destruction. We need somebody intimately familiar with the business, the world economy, and with a love for airlines and running them.

Somebody local? If there were somebody qualified, I'd guess they'd have stepped up long ago. It's a small world - time to stop thinking locally.

HAL

 

[got_jumpseat?]

I guess it is kind of naive for me to think there could be somebody in the state to do the job. Most of our talent has high tailed it out of this state in the past ten years. What were they calling it? The brain drain or something right? And why do I want to return so bad when I could have such a nicer life in some corner of the southwest with land measured in acres and more wildlife on the property than pets. But if no ocean no mahalo. Hawaii I stay, even if I have to commute the next 30 yrs.

 

[got_jumpseat?]

And these CEO's still shouldnt use our airlines as training grounds for a better paying or more glamorous job elsewhere.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

HAL, Seems like you guys had your chance with Brennenman, but declined. I certainly don't mean to throw any flames, but that sort of opportunity won't come around very often. Uh-oh, let's not turn this thread into a re-hash of the merger flames. I just hope this thing gets back on track soon!

 

[HAL]

No flames here, just an opinion;
Brenneman may have been a good choice for CEO if we'd merged, but a lot of the 'rumor talk' was about him eventually breaking us up and selling us off. That isn't the kind of CEO we need, no matter how qualified they are.

HAL

 

[Sleepyhead]

Back to the orginal question...

Does anyone have any info about future classses at Aloha?
I know there is a new hire class in Jan. What about
after that? Anyone at Aloha seen a deliver schedule for the
new 737-700s? If they are getting new planes they must have
a plan for them.

 

[AQ PILOT]

classes

Rumor I heard was New hire class....then an upgrade class, then a new hire class, then an uprgrade class....rinse and repeat. don't know how many or how long this will continue...but i'm likin' it now!

 

[AQ PILOT]

HAL concessions?

Hey you HAL guys,

We just heard a rumor that you guys may be asked for pay concessions???? They can't do that after furloughin' some of your pilots can they? What's the word on your end?

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

If that's true, Jim, I hope it is short-lived. (fingers crossed)

 

[AQ PILOT]

Don't give 'em a cent!

Jim-
Don't give those guys a penny. You guys have done plenty over the years to help that company. With the huge amount they are trimming they can cover their own darn costs! Hopefully all of this will be short lived...I think with our pay cut it has put us back to like '97 or '98 wages. Now that sux!

I also hope those furlough numbers stay lower rather than higher. I know initially the letter came out for 43. Now it looks like 33. Thats better news! How long do they give you notice wise?

 

[AQ PILOT]

Aloha Class!

Calls are going out for a January 6th new hire class. Great news!

 

[Freight Dog]

Got a call 2 days ago. Got a letter today and faxed it in and did my pre-employment physical and signed PRIA paperwork today for the January 6th class... Wooooohooooo!!!!!

Now if there can be more classes after January 6th would be even better....

Life is gooooooooooooooooooooood!

 

[AQ PILOT]

excuse me!

so let me get this straight....you got called 2 days ago and you're just letting us know now? i'm not sure how i feel about that!

 

[captain]

hey let us know the class drop...

congrats! that is awesome! I wish I was being called!

You must be feeling great!

I am sure you will do great!

 

[got_jumpseat?]

congrats!

Congrats! Now you gotta change your handle from Da Dash Trash to something else.

Got a call 2 days ago. Got a letter today and faxed it in and did my pre-employment physical and signed PRIA paperwork today for the January 6th class... Wooooohooooo!!!!!

Now if there can be more classes after January 6th would be even better....

Life is gooooooooooooooooooooood!

 

[Green Banana]

I will be the great northwest Dash Trash foreva!
I don't know where this new job came fromm, not I!

 

[aviator66]

Hey Freight Dog...congrats!

Were you one of the eight guys swimming at AQ before you got the call? Just curious, because if they called you guys up, then I think they will soon be interviewing again. (I hope)
Aloha!

 

[Freight Dog]

Aviator66

I was swimming since October... overheard a rumor of a possible couple more classes in the spring... keeping fingers crossed for that.

Dash Trash and got_jumpseat?

Yeah, I'll have to think of something... however, as it stands at least for another month, I'm still Da Dash Trash until further notice

Captain

Thanks for the best wishes. Looking back on my career, I was hired by my first choice regional (Island Air) with the intent of going to my first choice retirement job (Aloha). With this, I consider my career success. Wooo!!!!

AQ PILOT

Some of us have to work for a living, ya know?
I got the call a couple days ago, but I got the "official letter" yesterday.


LIFE IS GOOOOOOOOOOD IN DA ALOHA STATE!

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Class drop?

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and predict everyone gets the 737-200 F/O... Just a hunch...

 

[Freight Dog]

You're right... B737-200 flap operator

 

[got_jumpseat?]

You're right... B737-200 flap operator

isn't it 6 months in the 200 as per the contract then you can bid over (or get junior assigned) to the 700?

 

[Freight Dog]

That is my understanding. From what I've heard, people get junior assigned to the -700 after 6 months which brings up the question how easy/hard will it be to stay in the -200 after 6 months is up.

Doing the -200 interisland will be the same thing I'm doing right now except in a 737, and I really enjoy flying interisland and being home every night with my family.

Never done any long-haul stuff, but either way, I'm one happy camper.

 

[Slim Dusty]

-200 for six months after joining the line, not DOH. Currently no junior manning but never know with expansion. Base bids in June with the big switcheroo in November. Expect to be in -200 until at least then. Focus on -200 for now and don't worry about overseas, it will come. The boeing cockpit will fit your 6'10" frame and accompanying melon quite nicely! Congrats.

PS - Didn't know ALPA accepted articles written in crayon!

 

[Freight Dog]

Thank you, J.

Yeah, I thought it was 6 months from joining the line and not the actual DOH till you can bid or get yanked into the -700. Personal preference is the -200 due to family and being home every night/morning, but whatever happens happens...

Did you know that before the invention of a type-writer, let alone word processor, ALPA was indeed accepting articles written in crayon? You must be referring to one of those....

 

[HAL]

Freight Dog,
Congrats on making it to the big time.

It's not sour grapes, but I'm not as happy for you as I would have been, if 33 of our guys hadn't just gotten a furlough notice (including "Jim" from this board) with probably a lot more to come.

It doesn't have anything to do with you guys on the line at AQ, but I do have a problem with our management cooperating with you on capacity and cutting our jobs, while AQ gets to expand and hire. At the same time, in an Aviation Week & Space Technology article a couple of weeks ago about the cost of doing business as an airline today, they showed that the airline with the highest cost per ASM (available seat mile) was Aloha. What I'd like to ask our management is; why are we cutting flights, furloughing employees and making life miserable for a lot of people, while cooperating with an airline who doesn't have to open its books like we do and has much higher costs than we do? But then, we don't even have an acting CEO yet, and a rudderless ship is hard to steer.

Hopefully this all works out in the end, but from where I sit right now, it's not a pretty picture.

HAL

 

[alohadmac]

Read the fine print

HAL,
Notice that the AW graph on pg 57 (18 nov issue) represents labor cost per ASM from only the 1stQtr Fy02! AND it's not adjusted for stage length.
I dont think that graph really shows much, and who knows what the real #'s are!!

Good Luck!

 

[AQ PILOT]

Hey Hal-

I feel bad as heck for those guys that are getting furloughed over there. It really is a terrible thing. Both of our companies are in dire straits right now. Both of them. You know the only way to survive is to grow....that's it. Aloha took the route of small aircraft and secondary markets. HAL is going big a/c big markets. I'm not sure what is best coming from Hawaii. On the mainland, its simple......Southwest works.....here its a differen't animal.....

All that being said, you know as well as i do the interisland market was killing both companies. We agreed to collude on routes. For some reason, HAL wanted to fly roughtly 10% more than we did this month. They had differen't demographics than we did. Fine. Differen't companies and differen't ways of thinking. When it comes down to it, we are both almost breakin' even....Long haul, differen't story. you guys go head to head with the majors, we don't....again, differen't way of thinkin'....

I don't want to be a pain, but I am so friggin' tired of hearing about how bad we are over here. The smartest thing in the world for these two barely surviving airlines was a merger. Why in anyone's name people didn't want that to go thru (besides the travel agents and people that are using our companies for next to nothing) is beyond me. Yet we still got so much opposition from next door. As a new company, NOT ALOHA, NOT HAL, but a new company, we'd actually be in a position to make our own market. No one could have touched us. Its really a sad deal....but....more to the point...you mentioned that you didn't like the way HAL cooperated with US. Read the filing. It didn't quite work that way!

The worst part is, I think it sucks that either of us, nay any airline has to layoff labor. It's not right. We all move into these jobs with a long term goal in mind. It bothers me to no end that, like you (or one of your other posters here) says, every year around xmas, people get furloughed. That's wrong. I truly hope that you all get recalled as soon as possible. We've all put in too much to be just casually booted aside for no other reason than poor company planning. Pure BS!

This round, we are fortunate over here at AQ. Some day in the future you guys will be over there. I really hope you don't gloat when the time comes. We sure as hell try not to. Congrats on the Cathay Pacific deal...that'll save some jobs!

 

[captain]

Hey Freight Dog:

Class drop... I guess I meant what qualifications do the people in the new hire class have. Just to see where I would have stood amoung the people who had gotten hired.

Currently waiting for the 6 months to go by to reapply. Hope to be taking your place in the 200, when you get Jr assigned to the 700.

See you at Sandy's !

 

[AQ PILOT]

didn't know i could type that much

apologize for the manifesto's length up there....funny how long winded one can be at midnight after a BBQ. anyways, the rumors i've heard is a deal with CP for you guys headin' west. wet leasin' of course. i don't have too much more info on it, but if i hear more, i'll send it to ya. sounds like its a good deal tho....