Annual Inspection, Lots Of $$ This year! Mag's Oh My!!!

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The Annual on my 1976 Cessna 150M went very well! It was a very long day Saturday 10-29-05, We now have the airplane mostly all sealed back up Waiting On Parts!

1, New ELT Battery Installed & Tested, Complete

2, Repack Wheel Barings Inspect Brake System, Complete

3, Replace All Aileron Hinge Screws & Nuts, Nylocks Rusted Screws Rusted, Complete

4, Check Mag's, Slick 4201’s Recommended Mags Should Be Serviced No record In Logs Of Mag’s Being Serviced Ever:confused: But IA Says Part 91 Not Required, Removed For Servicing On 10-29! 10-30 Found Crack’s In Housings :( Barings Were Worn Out :( The Seals In 1 Were Shot :( Large Gear Was Beyond Limits & Brush Was Stuck :( Good Decision I Made For Removal & Inspection! Bad For Wallet $1,225.00 :bawling:+ Exchange + $150.00 Mail In Rebate:) Includes 2 4301 Mag’s & Harness! I Fly This Bird In Actual IFR So I Had the Inspection Done, Glad I Did!!!!!!

5, Throttle Cable Housing Broken & Brittle, Need To Replace Throttle Cable Will Order Monday Along With New Mixture Cable At Same Time Why Replace One With Out The Other! & I Would Like The Veneer Mixture, I Will Order On Monday Looking About $350.00:(

6, Fuel Tank Cross Vent Rubber Wing Root Cross Vent Tube Has Cracking Needs Replacement! Will Order On Monday Part Cost $5.00 A Foot Local No Telling Labor Costs Have To Drop Head Liner!

7, Replace Vacuum Pump Filter, Complete

8, Nut Plate AD Termination Recommended, When Other Parts Arrive Will Be
Complete. Est. About 5-6 hours Labor $250.00

9, Oil Seepage From Oil Screen Housing, Replaced Crush Gasket Again!

10, Changed Oil & Filter, Cut & Inspected Oil Filter All Ok.:)

11, Since Mags Were Removed Inspected Gears In Engine All Looked Good.


12, Dressed Prop Had A Few Small Nicks Have To Stay Off them Gravel Strips!

13, Few other little things that are not airworthiness issues that are being
done! I left the list at the airplane!

14, Compressions Were All 76/80 or better:beer:

Annual Inspection Complete! Not many Squawks This year & nothing real Expensive! Except For Mags! I Had To Dip In To My CFI Training Money Ouch!! The Parts That Are Needed Will Be Ordered On Monday And Replaced This Week While I Am Flying A 210 Almost 2000NM For A Customer!

Everything Will Be Signed Off At One Time, The Throttle Cable Was A Big Surprise & Also The Mag’s Were A Surprise How Bad They Really Were Kind Of Scared Me A Little, So Far This Annual Has Not That Bad Fairly Quick & Through.

I like this owner assisted annual always learning! I Learned how having an airplane in 1 climate "wet & moist" most of its life then going to another climate "hot & dry" for a few months really reeks havoc on old rubber parts! I learned That Mag’s Should be Checked Out At Leased Every 500 Hours Or @ Every Annual! This Is My Second Annual Ever So Still Lots More To Learn.

I Will Fill You all In Next Week! When She Is All Put Back Together.


Steven Rhine
CP-ASEL-IA
N7676U 1976 C-150M
 
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I Fly This Bird In Actual IFR So I Had the Inspection Done,...The Mag’s Were A Surprise How Bad They Really Were Kind Of Scared Me A Little,
Hopefully it scared you enough to reconsider the wisdom of taking the airplane into instrument conditions any more, too.
 

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No, I Still Will Fly In IMC. I will just be on a more strict maintenance program with this airplane!
 

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Just curious, any idea how many years/hours your old mags had on them?
 

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Looking At The logs At Overhaul, There Are 960 hours On Engine SMOH Now! They Said Replaced With Serviceable Mag’s.

Last Entry's Were Back In 11-01-1978 When It Received New Slick Mags & In 1980 mags Had an emergency due to AD so were replaced with Slick 4201 mags , 1983 Same mages Had Another Ad Mag Switch Check, In 1983 Mags Were Re Timed, & Replaced Points & Coil In Right Points & Dist. block On In Left, That Was it Until 1999 OH When Replaced Mags With Serviceable Ones.

I have put almost 300 hours on this bird in a Year & A Half not many problems always fired up really fast on A bump of the ignition switch. Fly’s straight & has excellent performance for a 150.

I Thank My IA for Bringing The Mags To My Attention, He's Always Good At That! Glad I Had Them Removed & Looked At. The Cost is Really not That Much For The Safty Involved In Having New Ones. Every Thing Is All :cool:

I think I have learned more about airplane & their systems by owning my own!
 
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avbug said:
Hopefully it scared you enough to reconsider the wisdom of taking the airplane into instrument conditions any more, too.
Gotta agree, a 150 IMC? I wont even fly the damn things over a large pond.
 
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How about on the edge of a tropical storm in heavy rain yet SVFR??
 

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No, I Still Will Fly In IMC. I will just be on a more strict maintenance program with this airplane!
I'm sure that'll be a boatload of comfort when your vacum pump (your only vacum pump) fails, as they often do...or your electrical source (your only electrical source) fails as they often do...in IMC.

You've already engaged in foolish and stupid behavior by flying the aircraft in it's condition without any forethought or effort to check...why continue foolish and stupid behavior? This ought to be a wakeup call, not just for your maintenance habits, but for your entire method of operation.

It's not too late. Just say no.
 

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avbug said:
I'm sure that'll be a boatload of comfort when your vacum pump (your only vacum pump) fails, as they often do...or your electrical source (your only electrical source) fails as they often do...in IMC.

You've already engaged in foolish and stupid behavior by flying the aircraft in it's condition without any forethought or effort to check...why continue foolish and stupid behavior? This ought to be a wakeup call, not just for your maintenance habits, but for your entire method of operation.

It's not too late. Just say no.
Are you saying you would never take an airplane, like a Piper Arrow (200hp/retractable gear) into IMC that only has 1 vacum pump and electrical source (minus the battery)?
 

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avbug said:
I'm sure that'll be a boatload of comfort when your vacum pump (your only vacum pump) fails, as they often do...or your electrical source (your only electrical source) fails as they often do...in IMC.

You've already engaged in foolish and stupid behavior by flying the aircraft in it's condition without any forethought or effort to check...why continue foolish and stupid behavior? This ought to be a wakeup call, not just for your maintenance habits, but for your entire method of operation.

It's not too late. Just say no.
Whatever, Single Engine, Single Pilot IFR is Know to happen often very often! its within my comfort level! We get lots of IFR here in the Pacific North West.
 

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its within my comfort level!
It is apparently within your vast experirence level, too, both of which happily coincide and come together in the cockpit of your over TBO Cessna 150.

Sounds like all your bases are covered. Go for broke.
 

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avbug said:
It is apparently within your vast experirence level, too, both of which happily coincide and come together in the cockpit of your over TBO Cessna 150.

Sounds like all your bases are covered. Go for broke.
Said nothing about a vast experience level, I know this little 150 keeps me current! Not sure how your concluding TBO the Engine is 960 SMOH TBO Is 1,800

Vacuum Pump 100 hours, Alternator 200 hours, Battery 200 Hours, all Avionics have been tested, tuned, & serviced with in the last 1.5 Years “except for ADF removed that & shipped today for servicing”


As with everything in aviation you are always learning, I have never claimed that I have vast experience in anything, I do claim that I am experiencing & learning. I trust my airplane more than any FBO’s airplane!

For your info, I am a pilot & an aircraft owner so I am Broke! So I got that coverd:beer:
 

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I've seen dry carbon vane vacum pumps make it six hundred hours, but I've seen a LOT fail at 6 hours, too. Don't let your 100 hour pump instill any confidence in you; it's not warranted.

Your alternator has two hundred hours. Dandy. And your regulator, and the components in the alternator? And any other electrical components which might interfere with normal operations? Had any electrical failures in the airplane, yet? You will.

Had an experience with carburetor ice that had given you a good dose of reality yet? You may. Probably best reading about it and learning without having to experience it, though, because experiencing it might kill you.

Age of the battery is a bigger concern than hours, which are irrelevant. Current battery maintenance is important...but how much do you know about that battery?

Forgetting TBO...960 since major. Do you suppose that will give you 1,800 hours until the next "overhaul?" If so, you suppose in error, and that error could kill you. Your finds during this annual bear that much out, but don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself. Just make sure you don't have anybody else on board, and you're out of the ocean when it happens.

"Overhaul," and subseqently "SMOH," mean NOTHING. What you have is an engine that's past TBO, period. Overhauled means that it was looked at and put back together, quite possibly with nothing having been done. Certainly nothing was done for your mags...how much else of that engine do you trust?

You trust too much.

Too much trust kills.

At your experience level you're supposed to be stupid. Don't abuse it.
 

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avbug said:
I've seen dry carbon vane vacum pumps make it six hundred hours, but I've seen a LOT fail at 6 hours, too. Don't let your 100 hour pump instill any confidence in you; it's not warranted.
Totally Understand, Vacuum Pumps Are Designed to Fail! That’s Why I Practice No Gyro Approaches A lot


avbug said:
Your alternator has two hundred hours. Dandy. And your regulator, and the components in the alternator? And any other electrical components which might interfere with normal operations? Had any electrical failures in the airplane, yet? You will.
With enough flight time & the more time I put in I am bound to experience a failure one day!


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Had an experience with carburetor ice that had given you a good dose of reality yet? You may. Probably best reading about it and learning without having to experience it, though, because experiencing it might kill you.
Yes I Had Carb Ice Problems Total Engine Out, Ended Up Cable Was Not Opening Flap In Carb Box All the Way, Was Fixed!

avbug said:
Age of the battery is a bigger concern than hours, which are irrelevant. Current battery maintenance is important...but how much do you know about that battery?
Battery was replaced 2 years ago with new and has been serviced at each oil change.

avbug said:
Forgetting TBO...960 since major. Do you suppose that will give you 1,800 hours until the next "overhaul?" If so, you suppose in error, and that error could kill you. Your finds during this annual bear that much out, but don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself. Just make sure you don't have anybody else on board, and you're out of the ocean when it happens.
It's a machine & any machine or part of it can fail at anytime I don't deny that.

avbug said:
"Overhaul," and subseqently "SMOH," mean NOTHING. What you have is an engine that's past TBO, period. Overhauled means that it was looked at and put back together, quite possibly with nothing having been done. Certainly nothing was done for your mags...how much else of that engine do you trust?
Log book entry only thing in the case that was reused on this run was the case & gears! New Crank, New Cam, New Rods, New Cylinders, Ect. Overhaul was not done by the A&P that installed it or the accessories either! All Engine accessories were reused except for the Carb it was replaced with overhauled one!

Referance TBO Info http://www.tcmlink.com/serviceBulletins/pdf/sil98-9.pdf

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You trust too much.
I don't trust at all!!! I just accept and I am comfortable the risk! “Anytime one goes faster than a walking pace or elevates themselves from the ground they are also accepting risk!” Your comfort level may be different from Joe Blow's comfort level & it's certainly different than mine! But other’s in aviation are comfortable & accept the risk of flying singe engine IFR.



I myself will not go Snow Skiing because I think it is to risky of an activity! But I will go bungee jumping!


To each their own, right




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Too much trust kills.
Totally Agree, Too much trust dose kill thats why I own & do not rent very often!
 

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But other’s in aviation are comfortable & accept the risk of flying singe engine IFR.
Yes. Generally those such as yourself who lack the experience to know better, and who are too cocky to listen to wisdom to the contrary.

Of course, a lot of foolishness takes place in life on the justification that "others do it."

Totally Understand, Vacuum Pumps Are Designed to Fail! That’s Why I Practice No Gyro Approaches A lot
No, vacum pumps are not designed to fail; you do not understand. However, your justification for engaging in the activities you do is acceptance that you're likely to be put in a risky situation, and therefore it's okay because you train for it. A little like arriving at a gunfight with an unreliable weapon on the justification that "it's okay, I practice reaching for my backup weapon a lot."

Sounds good on paper, and might just make a great epitaph.

Yes I Had Carb Ice Problems Total Engine Out, Ended Up Cable Was Not Opening Flap In Carb Box All the Way, Was Fixed!
Ah well! Everything is okay, then. Carry on.

It will probably never happen again. :rolleyes:

Battery was replaced 2 years ago with new and has been serviced at each oil change.
Two years is just about time for replacement, then...you're nearing the realistic service life, and you are fully trusting that it's perfectly okay. Good game plan.

I don't trust at all!!! I just accept and I am comfortable the risk! “Anytime one goes faster than a walking pace or elevates themselves from the ground they are also accepting risk!” Your comfort level may be different from Joe Blow's comfort level & it's certainly different than mine! But other’s in aviation are comfortable & accept the risk of flying singe engine IFR.
Would twere that we might all ascend to that level of confidence. However, I am reminded of the old saw: "Teenagers, now is the time to leave home and pay your own way while you still know everything. Good luck with that.
 

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Well, I admit I don't know everything,

To let you know "Murphy" lives in my house & tags along with me we have an established relationship! He sets the rules & I cannot chage them!

"So if it can happen it will and yes it can & will happen to me one day or another best I can do is accept it & try my best to survive it!"

"There is only 2 things I can be certin of & will happen in life that's death & taxes"

"You never know what can happen life has been given to you, take it seriously & enjoy it becuse you cannot get another one once its gone!"

So Lets Drop The Subject Of The "Stupid Human Factors" And get Back To Maintance & Parts Talk!
 
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