Annual Inspection, Lots Of $$ This year! Mag's Oh My!!!

[NW_Pilot]

It is apparently within your vast experirence level, too, both of which happily coincide and come together in the cockpit of your over TBO Cessna 150.

Sounds like all your bases are covered. Go for broke.

Said nothing about a vast experience level, I know this little 150 keeps me current! Not sure how your concluding TBO the Engine is 960 SMOH TBO Is 1,800

Vacuum Pump 100 hours, Alternator 200 hours, Battery 200 Hours, all Avionics have been tested, tuned, & serviced with in the last 1.5 Years “except for ADF removed that & shipped today for servicing”


As with everything in aviation you are always learning, I have never claimed that I have vast experience in anything, I do claim that I am experiencing & learning. I trust my airplane more than any FBO’s airplane!

For your info, I am a pilot & an aircraft owner so I am Broke! So I got that coverd:beer:

 

[avbug]

I've seen dry carbon vane vacum pumps make it six hundred hours, but I've seen a LOT fail at 6 hours, too. Don't let your 100 hour pump instill any confidence in you; it's not warranted.

Your alternator has two hundred hours. Dandy. And your regulator, and the components in the alternator? And any other electrical components which might interfere with normal operations? Had any electrical failures in the airplane, yet? You will.

Had an experience with carburetor ice that had given you a good dose of reality yet? You may. Probably best reading about it and learning without having to experience it, though, because experiencing it might kill you.

Age of the battery is a bigger concern than hours, which are irrelevant. Current battery maintenance is important...but how much do you know about that battery?

Forgetting TBO...960 since major. Do you suppose that will give you 1,800 hours until the next "overhaul?" If so, you suppose in error, and that error could kill you. Your finds during this annual bear that much out, but don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself. Just make sure you don't have anybody else on board, and you're out of the ocean when it happens.

"Overhaul," and subseqently "SMOH," mean NOTHING. What you have is an engine that's past TBO, period. Overhauled means that it was looked at and put back together, quite possibly with nothing having been done. Certainly nothing was done for your mags...how much else of that engine do you trust?

You trust too much.

Too much trust kills.

At your experience level you're supposed to be stupid. Don't abuse it.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I've seen dry carbon vane vacum pumps make it six hundred hours, but I've seen a LOT fail at 6 hours, too. Don't let your 100 hour pump instill any confidence in you; it's not warranted.

Totally Understand, Vacuum Pumps Are Designed to Fail! That’s Why I Practice No Gyro Approaches A lot

Your alternator has two hundred hours. Dandy. And your regulator, and the components in the alternator? And any other electrical components which might interfere with normal operations? Had any electrical failures in the airplane, yet? You will.

With enough flight time & the more time I put in I am bound to experience a failure one day!

Had an experience with carburetor ice that had given you a good dose of reality yet? You may. Probably best reading about it and learning without having to experience it, though, because experiencing it might kill you.

Yes I Had Carb Ice Problems Total Engine Out, Ended Up Cable Was Not Opening Flap In Carb Box All the Way, Was Fixed!

Age of the battery is a bigger concern than hours, which are irrelevant. Current battery maintenance is important...but how much do you know about that battery?

Battery was replaced 2 years ago with new and has been serviced at each oil change.

Forgetting TBO...960 since major. Do you suppose that will give you 1,800 hours until the next "overhaul?" If so, you suppose in error, and that error could kill you. Your finds during this annual bear that much out, but don't take my word for it. Find out for yourself. Just make sure you don't have anybody else on board, and you're out of the ocean when it happens.

It's a machine & any machine or part of it can fail at anytime I don't deny that.

"Overhaul," and subseqently "SMOH," mean NOTHING. What you have is an engine that's past TBO, period. Overhauled means that it was looked at and put back together, quite possibly with nothing having been done. Certainly nothing was done for your mags...how much else of that engine do you trust?

Log book entry only thing in the case that was reused on this run was the case & gears! New Crank, New Cam, New Rods, New Cylinders, Ect. Overhaul was not done by the A&P that installed it or the accessories either! All Engine accessories were reused except for the Carb it was replaced with overhauled one!

Referance TBO Info http://www.tcmlink.com/serviceBulletins/pdf/sil98-9.pdf

You trust too much.

I don't trust at all!!! I just accept and I am comfortable the risk! “Anytime one goes faster than a walking pace or elevates themselves from the ground they are also accepting risk!” Your comfort level may be different from Joe Blow's comfort level & it's certainly different than mine! But other’s in aviation are comfortable & accept the risk of flying singe engine IFR.



I myself will not go Snow Skiing because I think it is to risky of an activity! But I will go bungee jumping!


To each their own, right

Too much trust kills.

Totally Agree, Too much trust dose kill thats why I own & do not rent very often!

 

[avbug]

But other’s in aviation are comfortable & accept the risk of flying singe engine IFR.

Yes. Generally those such as yourself who lack the experience to know better, and who are too cocky to listen to wisdom to the contrary.

Of course, a lot of foolishness takes place in life on the justification that "others do it."

Totally Understand, Vacuum Pumps Are Designed to Fail! That’s Why I Practice No Gyro Approaches A lot

No, vacum pumps are not designed to fail; you do not understand. However, your justification for engaging in the activities you do is acceptance that you're likely to be put in a risky situation, and therefore it's okay because you train for it. A little like arriving at a gunfight with an unreliable weapon on the justification that "it's okay, I practice reaching for my backup weapon a lot."

Sounds good on paper, and might just make a great epitaph.

Yes I Had Carb Ice Problems Total Engine Out, Ended Up Cable Was Not Opening Flap In Carb Box All the Way, Was Fixed!

Ah well! Everything is okay, then. Carry on.

It will probably never happen again.

Battery was replaced 2 years ago with new and has been serviced at each oil change.

Two years is just about time for replacement, then...you're nearing the realistic service life, and you are fully trusting that it's perfectly okay. Good game plan.

I don't trust at all!!! I just accept and I am comfortable the risk! “Anytime one goes faster than a walking pace or elevates themselves from the ground they are also accepting risk!” Your comfort level may be different from Joe Blow's comfort level & it's certainly different than mine! But other’s in aviation are comfortable & accept the risk of flying singe engine IFR.

Would twere that we might all ascend to that level of confidence. However, I am reminded of the old saw: "Teenagers, now is the time to leave home and pay your own way while you still know everything. Good luck with that.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Well, I admit I don't know everything,

To let you know "Murphy" lives in my house & tags along with me we have an established relationship! He sets the rules & I cannot chage them!

"So if it can happen it will and yes it can & will happen to me one day or another best I can do is accept it & try my best to survive it!"

"There is only 2 things I can be certin of & will happen in life that's death & taxes"

"You never know what can happen life has been given to you, take it seriously & enjoy it becuse you cannot get another one once its gone!"

So Lets Drop The Subject Of The "Stupid Human Factors" And get Back To Maintance & Parts Talk!

 

[futurama08]

Not too sure what's wrong with SP IFR? Oh well don't really feel like debating this lol.

 

[Dangerkitty]

So Lets Drop The Subject Of The "Stupid Human Factors" And get Back To Maintance & Parts Talk!

Actually I would love to talk about this little gem of a question you asked a few days ago. See below:

[FONT=&quot]My 4th Question Is How Dose One Obtain Jump Seat Privileges? If They Don't Work For An Airline Or Cargo Company?[/FONT]

If you are that stupid to ask a question such as that then I have serious doubts about someone like you making sure an aircraft was airworthy much less fly single pilot IFR.

 

[NW_Pilot]

Actually I would love to talk about this little gem of a question you asked a few days ago. See below:



If you are that stupid to ask a question such as that then I have serious doubts about someone like you making sure an aircraft was airworthy much less fly single pilot IFR.

That was a good question, and I received my answer! I have also been briefly educated on how it all works thanks to the kind who took the time to Explain & Educate me. I did not know something so I asked what’s wrong with that? Nothing!


I would hate to see you as an instructor to a student or how you treat your first officer when they ask a question they do not know the answer to. Now if I was an ATP or had a few thousand hours and was not new to the industry I could see how that question would look deserve an arrogant response like yours!


[FONT=&quot]This will be my only reply to you or anyone else on this subject![/FONT]

 

[polysciguy9]

To change things up a bit, I'm curious about your experience as the owner of a 150. I'm thinking about buying one myself down the road. Have you calculated your costs - how do they compare to renting, even with the inspection charges? Would you say you're happy having your own aircraft? Seems like you are, but just curious. Thanks!

 

[DIRT]

Village Idiot

NW Pilot,

I own a 150 also, I just had to replace the mags as well. I feel your pain it seems like a money pit at times but well worth it in the end.

Dirt

ps just ignore avbug....every village has an idiot.

 

[NW_Pilot]

To change things up a bit, I'm curious about your experience as the owner of a 150. I'm thinking about buying one myself down the road. Have you calculated your costs - how do they compare to renting, even with the inspection charges? Would you say you're happy having your own aircraft? Seems like you are, but just curious. Thanks!

I recommend the 150 it is simple, parts are very inexpensive & readily available. Very low operating costs. The 150 is a Good time builder but not so good for utility & versatility. That I would recommend a 182, or 210in the Cessna line.

Compared to renting I figure it has been about the same costs now last year cost me a bit more than a rental because the cost of the mag’s, but the convenience of having it there at 3am to go to night landing’s and annoy a class C tower doing touch & goes is priceless, being able to fly it some place have it sit for 3 days and not being charged min daily rental fees is really nice, being able to equip it the way you want is also a plus.

One thing I would recommend is find your self an independent IA, If you have the skill always help with the maintenance and or do most the work under A&P supervision you will have a better understanding of aircraft systems & save money


Overall I am very, very happy 150 owner don’t think I will ever sell it will probably pass it on to my son!

 

[NW_Pilot]

NW Pilot,

I own a 150 also, I just had to replace the mags as well. I feel your pain it seems like a money pit at times but well worth it in the end.

Dirt

ps just ignore avbug....every village has an idiot.

Yes, well worth it in the end!

 

[wmuflyguy]

Do you have an data on how often a Vacumn pump or Alternator on an aircraft fails?

like 1 time every 1500 hours or soemthing.

Just want to know why you say they fail often.

 

[NW_Pilot]

I don't have the data here but the FAA dose. I try and attend as many safety seminars as I can. I was at a Free IFR seminar & some faa engineer was talking about how they are designed to fail & inherent features that make it so! I made up my mind right there 500 hours Replace they are cheap, your gyros in IMC are very important.

 

[wmuflyguy]

I know how imprtant gyros are, I have had them crap out on me before during an approach, both times it was the DG gyro itself not the pump.


My question was more directed at avbug, since he claimed they(vac pumps) fail on pilots often.

My question is for how many hours flown does a pilot expreince a vacumn failure. (essentially the odds)

I'm with you single engine ifr isn't a problem to me as long as a i know the airplane is well maintened and other criteria is met.