An open letter to USAPA Members

[Turtle21]

I'm talking about when the pilot integration is complete.
By necessity one day must be chosen and what better date than when a merger is consummated?I guess you didn't understand what I wrote. The US Airways plan, such as it was, before the merger was to continue shrinking. They were in a self-financed Chap 11 with no plan of reorganization and most analysts expected liquidation shortly. The merger changed that plan so to look at Parker's decisions post-merger and say "See, I told you so" is very disingenuous.
The heck I do. I don't blame them for not liking the Nic list (though their inflated sense of entitlement contributed to their unrealistic expectations) but nothing justifies their attempt to cram down their wet-dream list on the West.And I throw it right back at you. People with integrity live up to their commitments. We agreed to let a neutral decide and he did. It really is that simple and I don't buy any excuses, period.
Did I mention I flew for TWA? The OZ/TW merger still is a point of contention. Icahn made sure the OZ pilots were denied their right to arbitration. The APA and AMR made sure the TWA pilots were denied arbitration. See a pattern here?

I can't tell you how proud I was to experience a fair integration process between AWA and USAir. We met to negotiate as equals. Both sides were able to present our cases to the arbitrator. I had no idea what the result would be but I knew it would be final.Lemme ask you: was it reasonable that the APA got to dictate the seniority integration with TWA? Is it reasonable that the East is trying to do the exact same thing to the West? No double standards, now.
Well, I am trying to convince you of something: that DOH as a fixed integration scheme for pilots is far more likely to be unfair than having neutrals evaluate every merger on its own.Once again when it comes to furloughs fences are no substitute.

No need for looong posts. It was over years ago.

 

[RUhiring?]

I didn't read through every one of these posts, so if it was addressed, let me know and I'll look back. But.....where do the furloughed West pilots go when/if a merger is done? Do they get stapled? How do they defend their own position (furloughed), and defend the Nic?

 

[abefly]

I didn't read through every one of these posts, so if it was addressed, let me know and I'll look back. But.....where do the furloughed West pilots go when/if a merger is done? Do they get stapled? How do they defend their own position (furloughed), and defend the Nic?

They go wherever their at on the NIC. They should have never been furloughed.

 

[TWA Dude]

A little birdie just told me the MOU the APA just approved contains language from Dug stipulating the Nicolau list will be used. And that's why USAPA is in such a tizzy in CLT right now.

 

[charlie2]

A little birdie just told me the MOU the APA just approved contains language from Dug stipulating the Nicolau list will be used. And that's why USAPA is in such a tizzy in CLT right now.

Good for you guys! If AA makes the same mistake as you guys did and buys US Airways then you'll get a seniority list in a couple years.

 

[dollacrackho]

Usapa approved unanimously to put mou out for vote (not 100% verified yet)

 

[B-atch]

A little birdie just told me the MOU the APA just approved contains language from Dug stipulating the Nicolau list will be used. And that's why USAPA is in such a tizzy in CLT right now.

I seriously doubt this..But if it fills your fantasy, carry on...
The BPR will not recommend anything for membership ratification that deviates from its by-laws...
Besides anything encompassing the Nic will be VOTED DOWN by the membership..

 

[TWA Dude]

Well, if what I heard is accurate I wouldn't be one bit surprised if the Easties once again shot off their noses to spite their faces. The APA is looking forward to dealing with y'all...

 

[B-atch]

Me thinks your fishing....
DP knows that if the Nic is thrown in to the mix at this stage, the East will scuttle the merger...You know better..

 

[dollacrackho]

Maybe all the pressure from the media worked. Half the airline is gone in 5 years . Those guys need the pay bump to finance their brand new lark mobility scooters.

 

[abefly]

Me thinks your fishing....
DP knows that if the Nic is thrown in to the mix at this stage, the East will scuttle the merger...You know better..

It was pretty simple. Take the pay raise and 10k bonus now with the NIC, or you stay on LOA 93 C2004 until you are integrated into APA two years down the road and it will still be the NIC. That is unless USAPA came up with a LUP in the past three days. But I doubt that.

You really think all the Captains are going to turn down a 70K dollar pay raise so that you poor F.O.'s can get your captain seat?

 

[B-atch]

It was pretty simple. Take the pay raise and 10k bonus now with the NIC, or you stay on LOA 93 C2004 until you are integrated into APA two years down the road and it will still be the NIC. That is unless USAPA came up with a LUP in the past three days. But I doubt that.

You really think all the Captains are going to turn down a 70K dollar pay raise so that you poor F.O.'s can get your captain seat?

Were YOU there?...Are you in the know?? If not, your just chasing your tail...The west is good at this..

 

[abefly]

Were YOU there?...Are you in the know?? If not, your just chasing your tail...The west is good at this..

No I wasn't there. I simply used something the EAST doesn't seem to have. It's called common sense.

Do you think that USAPA came up with a way to get around the NIC without the company, APA, or American violating their DFR to the West pilots? What is that Legitimate Union Purpose?

 

[B-atch]

No I wasn't there. I simply used something the EAST doesn't seem to have. It's called common sense.

Do you think that USAPA came up with a way to get around the NIC without the company, APA, or American violating their DFR to the West pilots? What is that Legitimate Union Purpose?

Still chasing your tail, I see..Back to lurking....Nothing to see here...

 

[Turtle21]

It was pretty simple. Take the pay raise and 10k bonus now with the NIC, or you stay on LOA 93 C2004 until you are integrated into APA two years down the road and it will still be the NIC. That is unless USAPA came up with a LUP in the past three days. But I doubt that.

You really think all the Captains are going to turn down a 70K dollar pay raise so that you poor F.O.'s can get your captain seat?

The APA pilots get a $100K signing bonus and keep their pension.