AMR/LCC Merger and Furlough Question...

[sean67]

I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.

True, but SWA does not have the retire attrition that AA/US has.

 

[Data]

Have any furloughs ever gone on top of any active pilot in a merger?

 

[General Lee]

Have any furloughs ever gone on top of any active pilot in a merger?

No. But if you are on voluntary furlough or haven't come back from furlough on your own, and somebody below you has come back, he will not be placed in front of you on the list. Nobody can hopscotch above you on your own list.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.

Huh? Expect a furlough? If there is major overlap of hubs and big hubs have to close due to closeness, and there are no upcoming retirments, then MAYBE. I see huge retirements on both the USAir East and AA side.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[27 driver]

I don't know what you're situation is, but if you think that you as a newhire will go ahead of all those furloughed AMR pilots, you might want to reconsider. I would EXPECT a furlough if i were you. Mergers rarely result in a net gain of jobs. The SWA newhires got bent over pretty hard in the merger with airtran. Thats a tough one though with all the retirements coming.

Please explain how the new hires got bent over. You are talking about guys that weren't even on property when the merger was announced.

 

[ackattacker]

In this case the General is right. There are no guarantees in this industry but the coming retirement wave is MASSIVE and overall in the U.S. load factors are high so there's little reason to cut capacity, even if there is some overlap in routes. Risk of furlough appears remote and I wouldn't let that factor into your decision. In fact the job security at the regionals is much more shaky in the long run than at any major due to the constant threat of whipsaw.

 

[Flyby1206]

Will being in bankruptcy hurt current AA pilots in the eyes of a seniority list arbitration?

 

[General Lee]

Please explain how the new hires got bent over. You are talking about guys that weren't even on property when the merger was announced.

Exactly. Even in arbitration, everyone hired after the merger announcement gets stapled.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[JumpersAway]

I'd take a furlough with a smile on my face- that wouldn't bother me a bit! As long as I had the seniority number, I'd be fine with that. Hey- I'd just go find a job driving a forklift around a liquor warehouse or something...................

 

[CavePilot]

As a regional pilot you have to decide if you want to keep getting kicked around at the regionals OR start getting kicked around at the majors.

Congrats...you made the right choice.