AMR/LCC Merger and Furlough Question...

[Green]

1700?

 

[General Lee]

Leave it to bird brain to drag this thread back into the crapper

You probably have other bird "parts." Sorry, but the truth hurts, and the Easties won't be able to sweep it under the rug when and if they merge with AA and the APA gets involved. It's a binding award. Get used to that! Merry Xmas!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[AA717driver]

My worst day at TWA (under Icahn, even) was still better than my best day at ARW (and that was when ARW was at the top of the heap for regionals).

Go get a number and wait for the retirements to kick in. You're going to be junior regardless AND you're going to be at risk for furlough regardless.

TC

 

[JudgeSmails218]

There's no guarantees in life; especially this industry.
But, given the attrition coming up I would not be worried
about a furlough. As someone else alluded to US will need to
hire for the new rest rules as well as 5 330 s coming in
2013 AND our big wave of attrition. I think you're getting
in at a great time. Welcome!

 

[kj6991]

Thank you to everyone for the thoughts. Happy holidays.

 

[Dan Roman]

Ten tears from now you will be very senior. Congrats on getting hired at what will be the start of a lot of hiring.

 

[Turtle21]

Ten tears from now you will be very senior. Congrats on getting hired at what will be the start of a lot of hiring.

Ten tears... Is that foreshadowing a rough road to being senior?

 

[Dan Roman]

Ten tears... Is that foreshadowing a rough road to being senior?

Opps Freudian slip! YEARS! The reality is USAir/AMR will survive. Their "troubles" will be behind them and I'm sure there will be little difference working for either UAL, AMR, or DAL.

 

[Daddy]

How many pilots does AA have on furlough? I would think that would eat up quite a few years of retirement.

This was my point. Thank you, murk.

There are a LOT of old dudes at both, but there are a LOT of furloughees who still have "employment rights" and may very well come running back from their corporate/fractional/JBLU/whatever jobs when the new contract gets signed. This guy could spend a good while at the bottom or even be furloughed if there is a "shrink to profitability" plan in place. No one really knows what will happen, but I think it's a pretty good bet he will not go in front of the furloughed pilots on the final SLI given all the racking and stacking that will need to be done in arbitration (East/West/AMR).

The bottom SWA guys ended up behind everyone (not opining about that either way because it is irrelevant here) and I would bet he does too.

My major point is if this guy has a good, secure job and making a decent living right now, I would think twice about leaving it for USAirways who is almost assuredly going to merge soon with an airline that has approximately 1700 pilots on the street and will be in the majority when the votes are cast. I'm not saying he shouldn't go...I'm just saying he should be ready for anything if he does.

 

[General Lee]

AA and US East are full of old pilots. Not all of the 1700 furloughed guys are coming back, maybe half. They will need to hire thousands. If you can get in within the first part of the hiring wave, maybe the first thousand, leave your regional. Maybe even the second thousand too. If you're at the end of a big hiring wave, life could be rough for years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[kj6991]

AA and US East are full of old pilots. Not all of the 1700 furloughed guys are coming back, maybe half. They will need to hire thousands. If you can get in within the first part if the hiring wave, maybe the first thousand, leave your regional. Maybe even the second thousand too. If you're at the end of a big hiring wave, life could be rough for years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Spoke with a furloughed AA friend of mine today. He's not going back, the friends he knows are absolutely not going bad, and the friends they know aren't going back. But who knows. I know it's a gamble. I'm 30 years old and I guess sometimes you have to take some risk in life and not look behind. That is what I will do and everything else is out of my hands. I'm fortunate to be offered a job at a legacy carrier and it's something I can't pass up. I'm single, no wife, no kids, cheap rent, etc. I appreciate all the good responses as they have really been beneficial

 

[get2flyin]

Spoke with a furloughed AA friend of mine today. He's not going back, the friends he knows are absolutely not going bad, and the friends they know aren't going back. But who knows. I know it's a gamble. I'm 30 years old and I guess sometimes you have to take some risk in life and not look behind. That is what I will do and everything else is out of my hands. I'm fortunate to be offered a job at a legacy carrier and it's something I can't pass up. I'm single, no wife, no kids, cheap rent, etc. I appreciate all the good responses as they have really been beneficial

If you get hired on at 30 years old...you've just won the lottery. Maybe it will be tough going for a couple of years but you'll retire in the top 50 and your last 10 years will be ridiculously good. Best of luck to you.

 

[Daddy]

Yeah, I'd probably jump, too...there are no guarantees anywhere. If I had 2 kids and a mortgage, maybe not....but at 30 and single, you gotta go. Good luck!

 

[The Drizzle]

Yeah, I'd probably jump, too...there are no guarantees anywhere. If I had 2 kids and a mortgage, maybe not....but at 30 and single, you gotta go. Good luck!

These guys have it right. If you are 30, you are either going to look like a genius in a few years or a homeless man.

 

[dollacrackho]

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/20...threaten-merger-in-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoo

Oh boy here we go. What is mighty Usapa doing now?