AMR Corporation Plans to Divest American Eagle

[pipers]

I heard this rumor a month ago. EMB170s out of DFW for OO after AMR restructures Eagle. I hope not. I hope the SWA one is true. Gotta be a reason they want us to vote on the yet to be announced pay package before years end.

Why would we be happy about taking flying from one of the last good jobs out there? I would much rather do future flying for SouthWest as a SWA pilot. Why we are at it we should figure out a way to get some flying from FedEx and UPS. Go big.

Also, I am very suspect of the rush to vote on our pay package by years end. I want to hear the 'big' one before I make my decision. Sounds like a repeat of Brad's Ace. Take care.

 

[BoilerUP]

What are the details this pay proposal SKW has gotten or is upcoming?

 

[MarineGrunt]

What are the details this pay proposal SKW has gotten or is upcoming?

Upcoming. Word is that SAPA rejected the first proposal, but both parties want to have the new payscale take effect Jan 1st. Strange.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

You'll be competing with whores. So it follows, you must become a whore yourself.

 

[Coloaviator]

siucavflight-the rate I am talking about is in our employee handbook.

Flightinfo is just like high school. The kid that has good grades and is the star football player is hated because he is doing well. Just like Skywest is doing well and is hated. How sad! Oh well the American way I guess.

 

[BoilerUP]

Flightinfo is just like high school. The kid that has good grades and is the star football player is hated because he is doing well. Just like Skywest is doing well and is hated. How sad! Oh well the American way I guess.

...and just like in high school, eventually the cool kid graduates or does something to stop being cool and somebody else takes his place.

 

[No.W.]

SkyWest, though a great company to work for, and one I really enjoy working for...is FAR from the "cool" kid you talk about. That's a very naive POV.

 

[MALSR]

Beware, Horizon is next.

 

[Gandalf]

SWA
1st year f.o. at SWA = $52/hour
Lets go with a generous 3 year Capt. = $179/hr at SWA.

Total crew cost with this pairing = $231/hr - and thats with a 3 year upgrade at SWA.

SKYW
1st year f.o. at Skywest flying CRJ1000's for SWA = $19.25 carrying 100 passengers.

3rd year Capt currently = $63/hr

Totals = $82.25/hour crew costs with this pairing

$231-82.25 = A WHOPPING $148.75/HOUR DIFFERENCE in crew cost per hour MINIMUM(with a 3 year upgrade at SWA)

EVEN IF PAY IS INCREASED FOR THE 1000 - IT WON'T BE EVEN CLOSE TO THAT DIFFERENCE.

YET ALL YOU IDIOTS (SKYNATION, ETC) ARE JUST DROOLING AT THE CHANCE.

WTF???

From Wikipedia....Prostitute...In colloquial usage, the word "prostitute" is sometimes generalized to mean the selling of one's services for a cause thought to be unworthy, in the sense of "prostituting oneself" or "whoring oneself".

WITH THE CRJ1000 THE GAP IN SEATS BETWEEN WHAT IS FLOWN ON THE REGIONAL SIDE AND THE MAJOR SIDE IS CLOSING.

YET THE PAY IS NOT.

AS "WE" ACCEPT THESE AIRCRAFT INTO THE REGIONALS AT THESE PAY SCALES WE ARE DRAGGING THIS INDUSTRY INTO THE DUMPSTER.

 

[labbats]

Boy am I glad you put that in the huge font. I would never have grasped the gravity of the situation otherwise.

Did you ever consider the fact that Southwest now has anti-RJ commercials running right now? That they've always flown only one type of aircraft? That maybe it's all just a stupid rumor? I have and therefore I don't really care.

 

[Fishpaw]

Originally Posted by MarineGrunt
Word is that SAPA rejected the first proposal, but both parties want to have the new payscale take effect Jan 1st. Strange.

Third time now that I've asked on this thread and still waiting for a reply from a skywest employee... Has your company negotiated and proposed a "pay package" in the past that was voted down by the pilots? And what was the counter offer from the company?

 

[MarineGrunt]

Third time now that I've asked on this thread and still waiting for a reply from a skywest employee... Has your company negotiated and proposed a "pay package" in the past that was voted down by the pilots? And what was the counter offer from the company?

There has only been one as long as I have been here - couldn't tell ya....

 

[sstearns2]

Third time now that I've asked on this thread and still waiting for a reply from a skywest employee... Has your company negotiated and proposed a "pay package" in the past that was voted down by the pilots? And what was the counter offer from the company?

I'm not aware of a pay package being voted down at Skywest, or a pay package, endorsed by the negotiators, that was voted down at any airline for that matter.

Scott

 

[dbchandler1]

Third time now that I've asked on this thread and still waiting for a reply from a skywest employee... Has your company negotiated and proposed a "pay package" in the past that was voted down by the pilots? And what was the counter offer from the company?

There was an offer that was voted down a couple years ago that was 1.2 percent increase for everyone. After that came 1.0 percent for the RJ guys and the BHO for the 700/900 which was accepted.

 

[Gandalf]

I'm not aware of a pay package being voted down at Skywest, or a pay package, endorsed by the negotiators, that was voted down at any airline for that matter.

Scott

What???

2005

"Fellow Pilots,

I wish to thank you all for the strong turnout in the recent pay vote. Over 80% of our pilots took the time to familiarize themselves with the issues and vote their choice. Particular thanks go out to DC and all the members of our Communications Committee, for their hard work and flawless production of the pay vote and follow up survey.

To my knowledge, this is only the second time in SkyWest history when a pay proposal has been turned down. Your representatives were prepared for this possibility, and opened a survey as soon as the pay vote closed. The results of the survey are as follows:

Q.1 - What is the primary reason that you did not vote for this proposal, or you feel was responsible for the rejection of this proposal?


Rate increase is not sufficient. 34.0%

Pay scales should include only aircraft in the current fleet (i.e. CRJ-200/700); or 70-seat aircraft should pay more than the current 200 rates. 32.6%

The proposal does not have an amendable date. 20.0%

Work rule improvements were not sufficient. 7.4%"


The counter offer that we accected in Nov. 06' was NO increase for the EMB-120, 1% for 4 years on the CRJ50, and a block override on the 70/90

 

[SkyNation]

YET ALL YOU IDIOTS (SKYNATION, ETC) ARE JUST DROOLING AT THE CHANCE.

lighten up, Francis. who is drooling? I hope we don't grow anymore, we're already too big. If you, however, live in the fantasy world that tells you that we get to dictate all that happens, tell the Leprechauns and magic elves hello for me.

what I heard and repeated is that we're getting 700s for them to do flying that they don't currently do nor could they do with their 73s.

you have to find something else to piss and moan about to keep your self loathing intact. plenty of blow hards here to help you with that.

 

[Gandalf]

Boy am I glad you put that in the huge font. I would never have grasped the gravity of the situation otherwise.

Did you ever consider the fact that Southwest now has anti-RJ commercials running right now? That they've always flown only one type of aircraft? That maybe it's all just a stupid rumor? I have and therefore I don't really care.

The reason I have to use big font is cuz' morons that we have over here don't really get it. That no matter how many times other people tell them what their lack of knowledge about this industry, what their selfishness, what their absolute stupidity - is doing to the careers of all of us.

Whether or not it is a rumor, you should VERY much care about what guys are thinking and saying. Apathy is inexcusable.

So, your economic analysis of Southwest says that just because they are running some ad campaign about small a/c that no one will really remember in 3 months they won't EVER change. Hmmm....Wow.

How about the facts that their fuel hedges are disappearing.
That they are having to start competing on a more even level with the rest of the industry because of this.
The fact that oil is at $90+/a barrel right now.
The fact that they have the highest paid passenger airline pilots.
The fact that the customer has seen the "patented" $39 specials happen with less frequency and availability, and the SWA passenger would love to keep seeing those fares being offered.
The fact they are expanding like crazy.
The fact that they got to where they are now by taking risks and taking advantage of certain market factors.
The fact that it wouldn't be THEIR pilots or company flying an rj, it would be us.

Yes, now that you said it - I am certain that the shareholders of SWA care more about whether or not they have a 30 second t.v. commercial on at 2 am on the Sci-fi channel then actual real market issues facing their company and real solutions that they maybe considering implementing in order to stay at the top of the industry. Not to mention putting more $ in their pockets.

Yes, that's it. A commercial.

 

[Gandalf]

lighten up, Francis. who is drooling? I hope we don't grow anymore, we're already too big. If you, however, live in the fantasy world that tells you that we get to dictate all that happens, tell the Leprechauns and magic elves hello for me.

what I heard and repeated is that we're getting 700s for them to do flying that they don't currently do nor could they do with their 73s.

you have to find something else to piss and moan about to keep your self loathing intact. plenty of blow hards here to help you with that.

No, sir you said..."I heard this rumor a month ago. EMB170s out of DFW for OO after AMR restructures Eagle. I hope not. I hope the SWA one is true. Gotta be a reason they want us to vote on the yet to be announced pay package before years end."

From Wikipedia...."Hope is a belief in a positive outcome related to events and circumstances in one's life....

I didn't say it - you did. I am just saying that hoping that "the SWA one is true." is not the hoping we should be doing. Hoping it DOESN'T happen we should.

Oh, and I live in the real world. A world in that I know that we don't get to dicate ANYTHING that happens to us. We have uncle Jerry dictating what happens and there is nothing we can do or say about it. "We" did that to ourselves.

 

[LewisU_Pilot]

Does anyone else find it funny how worked up people get over these stupid message boards?

 

[siucavflight]

I thought this thread was about American Eagle?