AMR also believes that the west pilots case is ripe!

[Carl S.]

USAPA Legal is running out of time and delay tactics...time to own up to what you agreed to Easties...DOH with C&R's is just a dream for AFO's....LCC/AMR will also never go DOH....Enjoy the holiday weekend and remember those who gave all....Mark

 

[FR8mastr]

Minority? Anyone who has sacrificed person gain to preserve their honor not only knows what's right, but has done it.

Thank you,

Living under LOA 93 has been a huge sacrifice. But sometimes you just have to do what is right.

 

[Turtle21]

Minority? Anyone who has sacrificed person gain to preserve their honor not only knows what's right, but has done it.

Sacrificed personal gain... Like enduring 15% less pay for the same work while you get sued by "integrity paragons" that are trying to cash in on a windfall?

Have a great weekend.

 

[cactusboy53]

And as the judge and judges have said. It doesn't necessarily have to be the Nic award. So here we are back at the beginning again. Guess you guys will have to wait till the SLI with APA is completed to start the DFR again.....

[FONT=&quot]"Of course, in negotiating for a particular seniority regime, USAPA must not breach its duty of fair representation. Accordingly, if USAPA wishes to abandon the Nicolau Award and accept the consequences of this course of action, it is free to do so. By discarding the result of a valid arbitration and negotiating for a different seniority regime, USAPA is running the risk that it will be sued by the disadvantaged pilots when the new collective bargaining agreement is finalized. An impartial arbitrator?s decision regarding an appropriate method of seniority integration is powerful evidence of a fair result. Discarding the Nicolau Award places USAPA on dangerous ground."[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Judge Roslyn O. Silver, Chief United States District Judge[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No. CV-10-01570-PHX-ROS ORDER; October 11, 2012[/FONT]

 

[cactusboy53]

The NIC is dead.

[FONT=&quot]The Board shall retain jurisdiction[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in accordance with Section H. 5 .b. of the ALPA Merger Policy to resolve any disputes over the meaning or interpretation of this Award. This retention of jurisdiction shall terminate when all provisions of the Award have been satisfied. In the event the Chairman becomes unavailable or unwilling to serve to resolve such disputes, the Merger Committees will agree on a replacement Chairman or will select one by the alternate strike method from the most recent ALPA list of seniority integrations arbitrators. In the event one of the Pilot Neutrals becomes unable or unwilling to serve on the Arbitration Board to resolve such disputes, the Chairman, after consultation with the Parties, shall decide how to proceed. In any such arbitration, if there is a dispute between the methodology contained in the Award and the accompanying Integrated Seniority List or any other list purportedly using such methodology, the Seniority List prevails.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]George Nicolau, Mediator[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/FONT]

 

[Bringupthebird]

Sacrificed personal gain... Like enduring 15% less pay for the same work while you get sued by "integrity paragons" that are trying to cash in on a windfall?

Have a great weekend.

You skipped the part about preserving your honor. Perhaps it doesn't apply.

You brought on LOA93 through your years of stubbornness, and you cling to it out of the very same stubbornness. It hasn't served you very well.

 

[General Lee]

Any word on what happened with Judge Silver today? Wasn't there supposed to be a meeting today with the judge and all sides?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[becket]

Any word on what happened with Judge Silver today? Wasn't there supposed to be a meeting today with the judge and all sides?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Final response briefs filed tonight. The West absolutely eviscerates USAPA. They condense the entire episode down to a few pages and demonstrate beyond any shadow of a doubt that USKKABA does not now, or has ever intended, to fairly represent the West hostages. The West also makes a supported, compelling argument to relieve the scab union of 3 million dollars to be paid west.

This 1.1 billion dollar mistake lands solely at the feet of the criminally greedy, morally bankrupt assh@les out east. Luckily they've personally paid 93% of the tab out of their own meager household budgets. Silver set the trap and these scumbags jumped head first into it. Choke on it.

 

[General Lee]

Final response briefs filed tonight. The West absolutely eviscerates USAPA. They condense the entire episode down to a few pages and demonstrate beyond any shadow of a doubt that USKKABA does not now, or has ever intended, to fairly represent the West hostages. The West also makes a supported, compelling argument to relieve the scab union of 3 million dollars to be paid west.

This 1.1 billion dollar mistake lands solely at the feet of the criminally greedy, morally bankrupt assh@les out east. Luckily they've personally paid 93% of the tab out of their own meager household budgets. Silver set the trap and these scumbags jumped head first into it. Choke on it.

DDDDDDDD-DAMN!!!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Bringupthebird]

Final response briefs filed tonight. The West absolutely eviscerates USAPA. They condense the entire episode down to a few pages and demonstrate beyond any shadow of a doubt that USKKABA does not now, or has ever intended, to fairly represent the West hostages. The West also makes a supported, compelling argument to relieve the scab union of 3 million dollars to be paid west.

This 1.1 billion dollar mistake lands solely at the feet of the criminally greedy, morally bankrupt assh@les out east. Luckily they've personally paid 93% of the tab out of their own meager household budgets. Silver set the trap and these scumbags jumped head first into it. Choke on it.

In other words, Hummel declares "Mission Accomplished"

 

[Hpilot]

In other words, Hummel declares "Mission Accomplished"

Well, so far they have delayed, delayed, delayed. To them that seems a success. I have a feeling that is still their plan. If Silver rules against them, they'll appeal to the ninth. If ruled ripe, then I believe it would be basically Wake version 2.0, which will take more time. Some on the east do believe they are trying to right a wrong. Others are out to fix it with a bigger wrong that benefits them. They all point to west recent hires placed above 17 year FOs. The telling thing though, is how they want to fix the perceived wrong. If they answer DOH, you know what they're really after, because DOH places east reserve FOs above west captains. The Nic may have some parts that are perceived as wrong, but DOH is an all out seniority grab, and that is what some on the east are really after. They've been after it since before the first arbitration and they're still after it, no matter the cost to the west or their fellow east pilots.

 

[AppBrookie]

If the NIC is used, All West Pilots(including those currently on furlough on the street) could hold Captain Slots(granted the jr guys on low paying(till POR) E190's) on the East.
Nothing wrong w/ that???? Who's getting the Windfall????
The West is currently doing 23% of the East flying, and you want more, more, more.
99% of the East wants nothing that you brought to this merger. still you deserve all the upgrades and international flying that we have.
NIC for PHX if an eastie moves in
DOH/LOS for PHL,CLT DCA if a westie moves in.
That's what each side brought to the merger, what's unfair with that???

 

[vetrider]

Usapa thought they'd be able to quick roll the west. The RICO suit was part of the blitzkrieg, it never was about any 'behaviour' of the west, that was just the smokescreen used. It was all ginned up in usapa land, a makeshift Hollywood basement like that referenced in Californication.

I still don't think Delay Delay Delay is part of their plan, other than a by product of their quick roll being bogged down. They've tried to force it a couple times, the most obvious being the job action that backfired. Then they moved on to Identity Theft, or was that before the injuntion? Hell I can't remember exactly, hard to keep track of all the ******************************baggery.

Even if this current suit doesn't do what the west wants, which is very possible, it's still a long row to hoe for usapa. Even if usapa can somehow make it to the arbitration without being held accountable, I doubt those three arbitrators will give them anything remotely like what they dream about.

 

[Hpilot]

If the NIC is used, All West Pilots(including those currently on furlough on the street) could hold Captain Slots(granted the jr guys on low paying(till POR) E190's) on the East.
Nothing wrong w/ that???? Who's getting the Windfall????
The West is currently doing 23% of the East flying, and you want more, more, more.
99% of the East wants nothing that you brought to this merger. still you deserve all the upgrades and international flying that we have.
NIC for PHX if an eastie moves in
DOH/LOS for PHL,CLT DCA if a westie moves in.
That's what each side brought to the merger, what's unfair with that???

The merger happened years ago, while us wasin a third bankruptcy and amwest was growing, hiring, and receiving new aircraft. No matter how far you stick your head in the sand that was the reality. Just because the east delayed integration while management grew the lowest bidder side of the operation means absolutely zilch.

 

[Hpilot]

Usapa thought they'd be able to quick roll the west. The RICO suit was part of the blitzkrieg, it never was about any 'behaviour' of the west, that was just the smokescreen used. It was all ginned up in usapa land, a makeshift Hollywood basement like that referenced in Californication.

I still don't think Delay Delay Delay is part of their plan, other than a by product of their quick roll being bogged down. They've tried to force it a couple times, the most obvious being the job action that backfired. Then they moved on to Identity Theft, or was that before the injuntion? Hell I can't remember exactly, hard to keep track of all the ******************************baggery.

Even if this current suit doesn't do what the west wants, which is very possible, it's still a long row to hoe for usapa. Even if usapa can somehow make it to the arbitration without being held accountable, I doubt those three arbitrators will give them anything remotely like what they dream about.

You could well be right. If delay wasn't part of the grand plan, then boy did they screw up.