AMR also believes that the west pilots case is ripe!

[Hpilot]

In other words, Hummel declares "Mission Accomplished"

Well, so far they have delayed, delayed, delayed. To them that seems a success. I have a feeling that is still their plan. If Silver rules against them, they'll appeal to the ninth. If ruled ripe, then I believe it would be basically Wake version 2.0, which will take more time. Some on the east do believe they are trying to right a wrong. Others are out to fix it with a bigger wrong that benefits them. They all point to west recent hires placed above 17 year FOs. The telling thing though, is how they want to fix the perceived wrong. If they answer DOH, you know what they're really after, because DOH places east reserve FOs above west captains. The Nic may have some parts that are perceived as wrong, but DOH is an all out seniority grab, and that is what some on the east are really after. They've been after it since before the first arbitration and they're still after it, no matter the cost to the west or their fellow east pilots.

 

[AppBrookie]

If the NIC is used, All West Pilots(including those currently on furlough on the street) could hold Captain Slots(granted the jr guys on low paying(till POR) E190's) on the East.
Nothing wrong w/ that???? Who's getting the Windfall????
The West is currently doing 23% of the East flying, and you want more, more, more.
99% of the East wants nothing that you brought to this merger. still you deserve all the upgrades and international flying that we have.
NIC for PHX if an eastie moves in
DOH/LOS for PHL,CLT DCA if a westie moves in.
That's what each side brought to the merger, what's unfair with that???

 

[vetrider]

Usapa thought they'd be able to quick roll the west. The RICO suit was part of the blitzkrieg, it never was about any 'behaviour' of the west, that was just the smokescreen used. It was all ginned up in usapa land, a makeshift Hollywood basement like that referenced in Californication.

I still don't think Delay Delay Delay is part of their plan, other than a by product of their quick roll being bogged down. They've tried to force it a couple times, the most obvious being the job action that backfired. Then they moved on to Identity Theft, or was that before the injuntion? Hell I can't remember exactly, hard to keep track of all the ******************************baggery.

Even if this current suit doesn't do what the west wants, which is very possible, it's still a long row to hoe for usapa. Even if usapa can somehow make it to the arbitration without being held accountable, I doubt those three arbitrators will give them anything remotely like what they dream about.

 

[Hpilot]

If the NIC is used, All West Pilots(including those currently on furlough on the street) could hold Captain Slots(granted the jr guys on low paying(till POR) E190's) on the East.
Nothing wrong w/ that???? Who's getting the Windfall????
The West is currently doing 23% of the East flying, and you want more, more, more.
99% of the East wants nothing that you brought to this merger. still you deserve all the upgrades and international flying that we have.
NIC for PHX if an eastie moves in
DOH/LOS for PHL,CLT DCA if a westie moves in.
That's what each side brought to the merger, what's unfair with that???

The merger happened years ago, while us wasin a third bankruptcy and amwest was growing, hiring, and receiving new aircraft. No matter how far you stick your head in the sand that was the reality. Just because the east delayed integration while management grew the lowest bidder side of the operation means absolutely zilch.

 

[Hpilot]

Usapa thought they'd be able to quick roll the west. The RICO suit was part of the blitzkrieg, it never was about any 'behaviour' of the west, that was just the smokescreen used. It was all ginned up in usapa land, a makeshift Hollywood basement like that referenced in Californication.

I still don't think Delay Delay Delay is part of their plan, other than a by product of their quick roll being bogged down. They've tried to force it a couple times, the most obvious being the job action that backfired. Then they moved on to Identity Theft, or was that before the injuntion? Hell I can't remember exactly, hard to keep track of all the ******************************baggery.

Even if this current suit doesn't do what the west wants, which is very possible, it's still a long row to hoe for usapa. Even if usapa can somehow make it to the arbitration without being held accountable, I doubt those three arbitrators will give them anything remotely like what they dream about.

You could well be right. If delay wasn't part of the grand plan, then boy did they screw up.

 

[reepicheep]

The merger happened years ago, while us wasin a third bankruptcy and amwest was growing, hiring, and receiving new aircraft. No matter how far you stick your head in the sand that was the reality. Just because the east delayed integration while management grew the lowest bidder side of the operation means absolutely zilch.

To be fair they were only on BK no. 2, although they did come really close in 1992.

 

[becket]

If the NIC is used, All West Pilots(including those currently on furlough on the street) could hold Captain Slots(granted the jr guys on low paying(till POR) E190's) on the East.
Nothing wrong w/ that???? Who's getting the Windfall????
The West is currently doing 23% of the East flying, and you want more, more, more.
99% of the East wants nothing that you brought to this merger. still you deserve all the upgrades and international flying that we have.
NIC for PHX if an eastie moves in
DOH/LOS for PHL,CLT DCA if a westie moves in.
That's what each side brought to the merger, what's unfair with that???

Ok. Take your fking 1879 furloughees too!!! Believe me, nothing would make me happier than for all Easties to have realized their true career expectations.

 

[Metrojet]

[FONT=&quot]The Board shall retain jurisdiction[/FONT][FONT=&quot] in accordance with Section H. 5 .b. of the ALPA Merger Policy to resolve any disputes over the meaning or interpretation of this Award. This retention of jurisdiction shall terminate when all provisions of the Award have been satisfied. In the event the Chairman becomes unavailable or unwilling to serve to resolve such disputes, the Merger Committees will agree on a replacement Chairman or will select one by the alternate strike method from the most recent ALPA list of seniority integrations arbitrators. In the event one of the Pilot Neutrals becomes unable or unwilling to serve on the Arbitration Board to resolve such disputes, the Chairman, after consultation with the Parties, shall decide how to proceed. In any such arbitration, if there is a dispute between the methodology contained in the Award and the accompanying Integrated Seniority List or any other list purportedly using such methodology, the Seniority List prevails.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]George Nicolau, Mediator[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]AWA/AAA Opinion & Award; May 07, 2007[/FONT]

Interesting quote there "the seniority list prevails", which list? The lists used prior to Nic? Or if not - then very interesting how George gives himself unchecked power in a dispute? Never seen than before - not which list and / or "other list purportedly using such methodology " , just how some one gives himself such unchecked power. Why would a court grant that type of power to George when the POTUS doesn't even get that type of unchecked power?

Metrojet

 

[TWA Dude]

That's what each side brought to the merger, what's unfair with that???

Please re-read the Nicolau Award for your answer. (Or read it for the first time, which wouldn't surprise me.)

 

[TWA Dude]

Interesting quote there "the seniority list prevails", which list?

The arbitrated list, of course.

- then very interesting how George gives himself unchecked power in a dispute?

No, WE gave him that power when both sides agreed to have him settle our integration.

 

[Turtle21]

ok. Take your fking 1879 furloughees too!!! Believe me, nothing would make me happier than for all easties to have realized their true career expectations.

:laugh:

 

[Hpilot]

To be fair they were only on BK no. 2, although they did come really close in 1992.

Opps, my bad. I'll correct that, 2 bankruptcies, and weeks from final liquidation.
Doesn't matter though, because both sides benefited from the merger. Well..... at least one side did. Too bad one side doesn't want to share in the spoils.

 

[General Lee]

Interesting quote there "the seniority list prevails", which list? The lists used prior to Nic? Or if not - then very interesting how George gives himself unchecked power in a dispute? Never seen than before - not which list and / or "other list purportedly using such methodology " , just how some one gives himself such unchecked power. Why would a court grant that type of power to George when the POTUS doesn't even get that type of unchecked power?

Metrojet

You guys signed on the bottom line, along with the company, to allow Nicolau to make the decision. It is called BINDING for a reason, and you agreed to the process and to Nic himself. Hi, that's BINDING arbitration.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[flygirlqt]

Judges hate to have their decisions appealed. I believe judge Silver is allowing usapa as much rope as possible to hang themselves.

 

[waveflyer]

Judges hate to have their decisions appealed. I believe judge Silver is allowing usapa as much rope as possible to hang themselves.

This^^^

 

[johnnyb]

Restitution for the damage we've suffered since the East withdrew from joint contract negotiations in 2007: furloughs, stagnation, loss of pay. Frankly, the Nic list just isn't good enough anymore. I'm kind of hoping for a 3-way.

AOL sold you out - all they want is $3 mil for attorney fees.

 

[fastback]

USAPA is free to disregard the Nic and submit it's own list.

Kinda like when you go thru security, sure, you're free to opt out of the body scanner, but if you do then Batista over there is gonna put his finger in your butt.

 

[vetrider]

Judges hate to have their decisions appealed. I believe judge Silver is allowing usapa as much rope as possible to hang themselves.

I certainly hope so. So far though, they've been able to get just a bit more wiggle room to wreak havoc for a little while longer yet. It would be nice to see a gavel, or an anvil, drop on its head.

 

[vetrider]

We'll never get restitution from the ********************ed up legal system. We'll be lucky if usapa is just stopped from doing further damage.

 

[TWA Dude]

AOL sold you out - all they want is $3 mil for attorney fees.

I'm so glad you think so. Oh wait, I thought this week AOL was bankrupt? Gosh, it's so hard to know what to think when I get my information from Easties.