AMR also believes that the west pilots case is ripe!

[plunger]

Plunger,

Regardless of how you personally feel, you and the other third listers have enjoyed seniority on the East side not "available" to more senior Westies. Thanks to their "union" that was born from disagreeing to a binding award, the Easties and third listers have had opportunities, like the 2012 hire awarded E190 Capt, not offered to more senior Westies. That isn't fair, nor is it right. Some of the third lister progression will stop when senior Westies are allowed to bid on what they absolutely deserve.


Bye Bye---General Lee

What seniority am I enjoying at the expense of the West? Sitting short call reserve? Because that's my and many third lister seniority equates to. As far as the 190 CA position goes, good luck finding many West pilots that even take it under the current situation. If the NIC list were in effect, you wouldnt see a West pilot in either seat of that thing

 

[olympus593]

What seniority am I enjoying at the expense of the West? Sitting short call reserve? Because that's my and many third lister seniority equates to. As far as the 190 CA position goes, good luck finding many West pilots that even take it under the current situation. If the NIC list were in effect, you wouldnt see a West pilot in either seat of that thing

Hell you can't barely find a Legacy East guy on either seat of that thing.

 

[Bringupthebird]

On May 14th...

THE COURT:.... the first thing is that I have a problem with your
saying the MOU is, in fact, a Collective Bargaining Agreement.
That's not what the Ninth Circuit said.
MR. HARPER: The MOU, if you listen to us, if you
look at Airways and if you listen to American, the MOU is the
new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Substantially all of the
terms --
THE COURT: But the MOU says you negotiate. It
doesn't say this is the agreement. That's what the Ninth
Circuit said. The Ninth Circuit said whatever you end up with
is what is the final agreement and perhaps at that point there
may well be a cause of action. I don't know primarily what the
Ninth Circuit said except they are always right.
So I disagree with you on that point. Let's go on."

So Silver just told you that USAPA handed Parker a blank signed check. He can make it out for whatever he thinks DOH is worth to USAPA. Hang onto that fancy brochure with pie in the sky wages because you'll never see them on you bank statement. And you never see DOH either. And you're under an injunction borne from your own stupidity so you have no leverage to steer negotiations your way.

Pwned by your own - AGAIN! Do you ever get tired of it?

Watch your grubby little slimeballs you call a BPR try to clean themselves up a pretend to negotiate without ever moving off DOH. It wouldn't hurt you so much if you actually made enough coin to afford their lavish juggernaut.

 

[Crzipilot]

Bringupthebird. You must have reading comprehension problems, if you have read the transcripts.

Basically she whacked your atty for standing stiff legged in insisting on the NIc and only the NIC and ordered him to sit down and negotiate something else.

Your lawyer repeatedly made statements regarding the NIC, and she finally told him that it doesn't have to be the NIC and to go talk with USAPA about another possibility.

I thought the General said the NIC was going to be shoved down our throats here this month???

guess not..... Looks more like a 3 way M/B....

 

[Turtle21]

So Silver just told you that USAPA handed Parker a blank signed check. He can make it out for whatever he thinks DOH is worth to USAPA. Hang onto that fancy brochure with pie in the sky wages because you'll never see them on you bank statement. And you never see DOH either. And you're under an injunction borne from your own stupidity so you have no leverage to steer negotiations your way.

Pwned by your own - AGAIN! Do you ever get tired of it?

Watch your grubby little slimeballs you call a BPR try to clean themselves up a pretend to negotiate without ever moving off DOH. It wouldn't hurt you so much if you actually made enough coin to afford their lavish juggernaut.

What? You have no idea what is going on. I am starting to think you are a poser like Poser Lee?

 

[General Lee]

Bringupthebird. You must have reading comprehension problems, if you have read the transcripts.

Basically she whacked your atty for standing stiff legged in insisting on the NIc and only the NIC and ordered him to sit down and negotiate something else.

Your lawyer repeatedly made statements regarding the NIC, and she finally told him that it doesn't have to be the NIC and to go talk with USAPA about another possibility.

I thought the General said the NIC was going to be shoved down our throats here this month???

guess not..... Looks more like a 3 way M/B....

"Looks like...." Thanks Nancy Grace. It still isn't over, and the West lawyer needs to make his obvious case clearer for her. Didn't sound like the East lawyer did very well either, trying to give testimony saying they actually did negotiate with the West.....riiiight.

The good thing is the Easties can't stall anymore, and have to negotiate, something they haven't wanted to do yet. The APA and even the company know the Westies are ripe, and it will interesting to see how this travesty plays out.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Hpilot]

I'm not quite sure why some on the east think it's over. There is still a possibility, however remote, that she could rule in favor of the west for an injunction. It is after all, not over yet.

I personally would guess at a three way. It seems many on the east think that a three way would be great. Some on the east appear totally against this however and hope for DOH. They feel USAPA can just combine the west and east list using USAPA's internal seniority policy of DOH. How they think that is possible or even remotely acceptable, I don't know. Oh, I guess I do know, it staples the west below the east.

 

[Hpilot]

What? You have no idea what is going on. I am starting to think you are a poser like Poser Lee?

How is General Lee a Poser? He isn't a Delta pilot?

 

[Bringupthebird]

From the crack WalMart legal mind of Symanski

And, you know, I have, in a very synoptic fashion,
set forth some of the things that have troubled me and some of
them, Mr. Syzmanski, are what appear to be allegations to what
you said which would perhaps -- perhaps can be explained but
they seem contrary, as I have indicated, to what you set forth
in Court which indicated quite clear told me and you were very
candid and I thought we're fine. (“)We're going to go forward,
have another seniority agreement and the Nicolau Award would be
at least considered(”).
And then we have these allegations about what has
been said since that time and also noted what is in a press
release which is by USAPA which says USAPA will propose
date-of-hire integration in accordance with USAPA's
constitution at the outset of the McCaskill-Bond process. The
parties exchange accurate information, et cetera. Based upon
this information, the pilot groups attempt to negotiate a
mutually agreeable merger, merged seniority list and that the
Merger Committee will proposed DOH method of integrating
seniority.

THE COURT: Yes. You're prepared to talk. We want
to talk and we will want genuine engagement with the West
Pilots about the seniority proposal and we are proposed to make
changes. No changes.
MR. SZYMANSKI: Changes in the date-of-hire proposal,
not changes in the Nicolau proposal.
THE COURT: Well, you never said that. If you had
said that in open Court, then we would have had a hearing at
that time because the issue was what I made quite clear is that
you had to go forward. USAPA had to go forward and with an
open mind and that the Nicolau Award was not irrelevant. It
was to be considered.

THE COURT: Did you offer something?
MR. SZYMANSKI: We didn't offer anything specific.
THE COURT: But what would you have offered as you
have said in open Court? I'm sorry to interrupt and make this
complicated for you, but how about we get to my question where
I am -- as I mentioned, I am somewhat uneducated about this.
There are other methods and means to establish a seniority
system that would be fair; correct?
MR. SZYMANSKI: Absolutely, Your Honor.
THE COURT: So what did you offer?
MR. SZYMANSKI: And, Your Honor, I'm not saying that
the Nicolau Award is not fair although there were significant
problems with it, and I'm not saying that a date-of-hire
proposal is not fair. We've given the Court cases and
citations to a number of Court decisions that say that a
date-of-hire proposal is within the union's duty of fair
representation and is fair.

MR. SZYMANSKI: We haven't had any discussions
because they don't want to discuss anything other than the
Nicolau Award and I don't want the Court to misunderstand the
fact that doing the Nicolau Award itself as it is, as it
stands, is a realistic possibility. It isn't. It just -- it
isn't.
But we are willing to say --
THE COURT: Why isn't it?
MR. SZYMANSKI: Because we think it was unfair.

You just can't make that kind of crap up.

 

[Hpilot]

From the crack WalMart legal mind of Symanski


You just can't make that kind of crap up.

As always the smartest person in the room was the company's lawyer. Care to guess who the dumbest was?