America Attacked video

[jarhead]

"no evidence whatsoever"


two words...

Salmon Pak

(i.e. the place in Baghdad where they TRAINED terrorists to hijack planes)

Read the 9-11 commision report and then report back in. That's your homework assignment.

 

[c172]

"wow"

 

[c172]

JARHEAD Go back to your D.N.C. website and stay there !!!!!!!!!DON'T NEED YOU HERE BONEHEAD

 

[jarhead]

JARHEAD Go back to your D.N.C. website and stay there !!!!!!!!!DON'T NEED YOU HERE BONEHEAD

Typical retort. Let me give one back for you from Shakespeare. "It is a tale told by an idiot; full of sound and fury, but signifying nothing"

A) Don't belong to or parrot anything from the D.N.C. The 9-11 commission was an independent, bi-partisan commission set up to investigate all aspects of the 9-11 attacks, and to investigate conclusions drawn from those attacks.

B) You may not want me here, but I am here. You could perhaps learn a bit if you stopped your juvenile behavior in the way you discuss an issue. In short, behave like an adult.

C) Oh, you're soooo clever with your Bonehead retort. Grow up for crying out loud. You present yourself as a moron, whether you intended to or not.

 

[Moonfly201]

"no evidence whatsoever"


two words...

Salmon Pak

(i.e. the place in Baghdad where they TRAINED terrorists to hijack planes)

and I'll add another reason to the above well kept mainstream media secret ....

Sadam openly sent reward money to the families of the twisted Arab homicide bombers who frequent Israeli public transportation and youth night spots.

Any "death cult" islamic terrorist IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION. And Iraq is full of them. Those liberals who don't think Sadam wouldn't continue his reward policy when these sick ba*tards started practicing their skills in the U.S., are either very naive, or care more about gaining political power at the expense of innocent American lives.

 

[jarhead]

and I'll add another reason to the above well kept mainstream media secret ....

Sadam openly sent reward money to the families of the twisted Arab homicide bombers who frequent Israeli public transportation and youth night spots.

You could just as well keep your arguments based on truth. The $25,000 rewards sent to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers in Israel was not a "well kept mainstream media secret" I saw it all on ABC, NBC, etc. So has everyone else. Why would you make such an outright false statement such as that?

And yes, it's horrid. But if you are trying to infer, and linking that to Bio, Chem., and Nuclear threats by Iraq to another 9-11 type event in America....well, that's a real reach, IMO

 

[Moonfly201]

well kept media secrets .....

Read the 9-11 commision report and then report back in. That's your homework assignment.

What is left unsaid is more telling than what we read in government sponsored reports on a particular event.

Jarhead, how about a little homework for you, answer this ....

Where exactly are the Iraqi bio and chemical weapons that the Kurds were mass murdered with located now? And why are you so sure they can not be transported into the U.S. ?

 

[ustillflyin]

<<This is NOT my work, but, it's easier then me paraphrasing the whole thing>>



The 9/11 Commission Report is extraordinarily well written, reads like a gripping novel and contains many startling and astounding revelations. Probably most of what you think you know about 9/11 and the 15 years of terror activity leading up to it is wrong.

But no documentation from the report is more astounding, or has been more mis-reported than the links between Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. After the media blitz, you are probably under the impression that “no ties existed”?

How wrong you are, according to the report. Here are a few quotes from the body of the report:

Page 66:

“In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraq intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis.”

Page 66:

“According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both sides’ hatred of the United States.”

Page 128:

On November 4, 1998, the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York unsealed its indictment of Bin Ladin, charging him with conspiracy to attack U.S. defense installations. The indictment also charged that al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran, and Hezbollah. The original sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had “reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.” This passage led (Richard) Clarke, who for years had read intelligence reports on Iraqi-Sudanese cooperation on chemical weapons, to speculate to Berger that a large Iraqi presence at chemical facilities in Khartoum was “probably a direct result of the Iraq-Al Qaida agreement” Clarke added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the “exact formula used by Iraq”.

The 9/11 report does say that “no evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out attacks against the United States (page 66)” were documented. But given the voluminous reports of repetitive contact between Iraq and al Qaeda, wouldn’t any responsible and forceful President of the Untied States correctly conclude that action against both al Qaeda and Iraq was prudent. And wouldn’t a bold and courageous leader take such action if International bodies failed to heed the warning and disarm Iraq according to their own numerous resolutions?

<< So I guess the conclusion is "Take the part that suits your belief system and ignore the rest

 

[jarhead]

What is left unsaid is more telling than what we read in government sponsored reports on a particular event.

Jarhead, how about a little homework for you, answer this ....

Where exactly are the Iraqi bio and chemical weapons that the Kurds were mass murdered with located now? And why are you so sure they can not be transported into the U.S. ?

Fair question. My answer is that I don't know. And, you don't know either. Neither does anyone in our government know, but they have drawn some conclusions.

The first conclusion was that at the time of the invasion of Iraq, there was no ongoing weapons development program in Iraq since sometime prior to 1998.

Another conclusion has been that they may have indeed been destroyed by the Iraqi government in accordance with UN mandates. With the inspection teams 'kicked out' before the work was done, there was not a way to make that claim by Saddam that they no longer possessed them. Inspectors had verified the destruction of some of his banned weapons. If you think back a bit, you will recall seeing on the TV news, video of some missiles with a range greater than 100 miles being cut up. I believe only a few of the 33 that were there, were destroyed before the inspectors were kicked out. No one ever made the claim that Saddam was an intellectual giant.

Some types of Chemicals used in weaponized systems have a "shelf life", and degrade over time to render them functionally neutered.

There were no Nuclear weapons, EVER, and the Kurds and Iranians were attacked only with chemicals. No biological germ agents were ever used.

Even George W. Bush has now recently admitted that there are no WMD in Iraq, and were not there when he invaded. He still claims the invasion was “the right thing to do”, and that the world is better off without Saddam, but GWB now also knows there are no WMD in Iraq, and were not there when he invaded. If the president admits that now, why can’t you let go of it?

 

[Moonfly201]

Fair question. My answer is that I don't know.

Nor does anyone.

Even George W. Bush has now recently admitted that there are no WMD in Iraq, and were not there when he invaded. He still claims the invasion was “the right thing to do”, and that the world is better off without Saddam, but GWB now also knows there are no WMD in Iraq, and were not there when he invaded. If the president admits that now, why can’t you let go of it?

Clear thinking Americans "can't let go of it" because we are dealing with a ruthless and cleaver enemy of freedom that has already killed 3,000+ innocent fellow citizens. Many of us do not recognize national borders when naming enemies .... any American hating islamic who wants to eliminate freedom and kill us is fair game, I don't care if they live in Afganistan, Iraq, Syria, Minnesota, or any other geographic location.

You answered my first question of ......
"Where exactly are the Iraqi bio and chemical weapons that the Kurds were mass murdered with located now?" You told me they were not in Iraq when we invaded, and no one knows where they are now.

Now, how about an answer to the question that many Americans (but not you) would like to know about the missing WMD from Iraq ......
"And why are you so sure they can not be transported into the U.S. ?"

 

[jarhead]

Nor does anyone.



Now, how about an answer to the question that many Americans (but not you) would like to know about the missing WMD from Iraq ......
"And why are you so sure they can not be transported into the U.S. ?"

Although I am fairly certain that you will not accept my answer, here it is.

The WMD do not exist. Since they do not exist, they cannot be transported.

 

[Moonfly201]

Although I am fairly certain that you will not accept my answer, here it is.

The WMD do not exist. Since they do not exist, they cannot be transported.

I accept your answer, it is exactly what I expected that I would hear.

Most liberals thought processes are dominated by "feelings", not rational thinking. You "feel" that WMD do not exist, even though there is no scientific proof or evidence trail to support your feelings. And obviously, since you feel they are non-existant, how can they be considered a threat to American society. Since these WMD's cannot be a threat, any American troops killed in Iraq are a waste of life.

Fortunately, our Commander-in-Chief is clear thinking and not influenced by emotional "feelings" on the subject of American security. Let's give the situation a "recipricol" test ... if Bush did not go into Iraq, and a Sadam linked WMD program device was ever deployed in the U.S., the mainstream media and Democrats would condemn him for failing to do his duty and take-out Sadam.

And this is the reason we need a man who does what's right and logical, and not a fuzzy-thinking opportunist like Kerry in charge of protecting the American public.

 

[jarhead]

I accept your answer, it is exactly what I expected that I would hear.

Most liberals thought processes are dominated by "feelings", not rational thinking. You "feel" that WMD do not exist, even though there is no scientific proof or evidence trail to support your feelings. And obviously, since you feel they are non-existant, how can they be considered a threat to American society. Since these WMD's cannot be a threat, any American troops killed in Iraq are a waste of life.

Fortunately, our Commander-in-Chief is clear thinking and not influenced by emotional "feelings" on the subject of American security. Let's give the situation a "recipricol" test ... if Bush did not go into Iraq, and a Sadam linked WMD program device was ever deployed in the U.S., the mainstream media and Democrats would condemn him for failing to do his duty and take-out Sadam.

And this is the reason we need a man who does what's right and logical, and not a fuzzy-thinking opportunist like Kerry in charge of protecting the American public.

Wow. I’ll try real slowly this time.

First, You surely must know by now, that you cannot prove a negative. Period. Please prove that I have never been in Florida. It can’t be done! It could be proved however, that had I ever been in Florida that does have a chance of being proved.

That said, no, my ‘feelings’ have nothing to do with the absence of WMD in Iraq. My views are based on the overwhelming evidence that THERE ARE NONE. If they are there, that would be a positive that could be proven. Even my own president has stated that to me, and to you that there are no WMD in Iraq. Do you ‘feel’ that the president is just acting on his liberal ‘feelings’ when he says that? It is a reasoned position logically reach that there are none, lacking any positive evidence from exhausted searches for evidence that they exist, They are not there, and I suspect little green men from Mars are not there either, though that negative also has not been proved.

Again I state, that since they do not exist, they cannot be transported. Now, if you ‘feel’ they can be transported when they do not exist, that would be a positive being proved; I challenge you to do that.

 

[R0NIN]

Who are these guys...Ansar Al Islam

Jarhead, how long were you in Iraq?

No wonder you call your self jar head.... Your about as smart as a Jarhead... and spend way too much time on this board. Get your azz out to the airport.


You know my Kurdish translator was sure pissed at Ansar... (You know, the Al Quieda group Saddam payed to terrorize the Kurds).

Anyhow... who cares if they like us or not over there... were whipping their azz and the only reason the Iraqi National Guard ranks are growing is 'cause these young men don't want to have to fight us!!!!

Where is Al Sadr anyways? (In the hospital, seriously!!)
What is the drug of choice for Mehdi Militia? Meth

Read this:
http://www.iraqinews.com/org_ansar_al-islam.shtml

Jar Head, please do something else with your life. Don't hang around the airport loser

 

[Moonfly201]

First, You surely must know by now, that you cannot prove a negative. Period. .

Negative what? There were WMD in Iraq (ask the Kurds), and now they are unaccounted for.

That said, no, my ‘feelings’ have nothing to do with the absence of WMD in Iraq. My views are based on the overwhelming evidence that THERE ARE NONE..

No one is disagreeing that they did exist at some point, and that they went somewhere where they have not been found. Your leap out of rational thinking is the belief that since no one has located them this year, that they no longer exist. This "feeling" of yours is worse than wrong, it is irrational and dangerous.

Again I state, that since they do not exist, they cannot be transported. Now, if you ‘feel’ they can be transported when they do not exist, that would be a positive being proved; I challenge you to do that.

Again, I ask you "where did they go"? And a few new questions oh wise one ... Who destroyed them? When did they do it? Where did they do it? Who did it? Where is the residue?

 

[c172]

well well well

Looks like I'm not the only one here who think's your a BONEHEAD ( THERES A FACT FOR YOU. MY NOT SO SMART FRIEND)

 

[jarhead]

Jarhead, how long were you in Iraq?

No wonder you call your self jar head.... Your about as smart as a Jarhead... and spend way too much time on this board. Get your azz out to the airport.


You know my Kurdish translator was sure pissed at Ansar... (You know, the Al Quieda group Saddam payed to terrorize the Kurds).

Anyhow... who cares if they like us or not over there... were whipping their azz and the only reason the Iraqi National Guard ranks are growing is 'cause these young men don't want to have to fight us!!!!

Where is Al Sadr anyways? (In the hospital, seriously!!)
What is the drug of choice for Mehdi Militia? Meth

Read this:
http://www.iraqinews.com/org_ansar_al-islam.shtml

Jar Head, please do something else with your life. Don't hang around the airport loser

Never been there. Nor in North Korea, Iran, Syria, or the Great Gobi dessert. Other than Bush stopping in for turkey with the troops for three hours with the full security from any danger, but an excellent photo op, neither has he, or Dick Cheney. Didn't Bush look good in the carrier landing with the "Mission Accomplished" sign? What's that got to do with anything at all. I don't have to eat a turd to know it doesn't taste good.

I really doubt you were ever in the military and in Iraq. If you had been, you’d know that "Jarhead" (one word) is the moniker every U.S. Marine who lives has carried, and with a great degree of fraternity. It has to do with the short haircut on the sides of the head. If you demean me for my handle on here, you choose to demean every U.S. Marine who ever served because of what that tradition is.

I served. Did you young man? If so, please tell me the name of your unit, and where, when, and how long you served. Why do you disparage those who earned the moniker? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Ronin]

Boy are you dumb.....

I know what a "Jarhead," is...

A dumb azz Marine... just like yourself.

You know, most of you haven't been know for your stunning inteligence... (Hell, your even trying to chase down a career in aviation.... Your VERY Stupid jarhead!!!).

Ahh... yes, I was there....
Go do something constructive and stop surfing the net all day long.

 

[jarhead]

Gawd this is tiresome. One can ONLY prove something IS there. If you can't prove they are there it is not reasonable to suggest they are there, absent any evidence to support that idea.. Why do you keep insisting that they are there. As the Tom Cruise line goes in the movie, SHOW ME THE MONEY.

You suggested that I prove they are NOT THERE. That cannot be done. I will not argue with EVERYONE in officialdom, including the POTUS, that there is no evidence that they are there, and the conclussions reached that they do not exist.

 

[jarhead]

I know what a "Jarhead," is...

A dumb azz Marine... just like yourself.

You know, most of you haven't been know for your stunning inteligence... (Hell, your even trying to chase down a career in aviation.... Your VERY Stupid jarhead!!!).

Ahh... yes, I was there....
Go do something constructive and stop surfing the net all day long.

You absolute and stunning moron. You can't spell, you're too dumb to look at my personal profile to learn that I'm 64 years of age, and thus well beyond chasing a career in aviation. I made my mark earning a living in the manufacturing sector, and did it well enough to be able to retire when I was 57 years old. My flying has been for recreation only.

Before you start calling people stupid, you might want to find out the difference in the words "your" and "you're", and how to properly use them in any future moronic posts.

Crawl back under your rock sluggo.

 

[Moonfly201]

Gawd this is tiresome. One can ONLY prove something IS there. If you can't prove they are there it is not reasonable to suggest they are there, absent any evidence to support that idea.. Why do you keep insisting that they are there. As the Tom Cruise line goes in the movie, SHOW ME THE MONEY.

Brilliant .... "SHOW ME THE MONEY" comes when 30,000 innocent Americans die when some islamic death merchant releases a toxic substance in the middle of a crowded U.S. City.

I agree completely "Gawd this is tiresome", and this is the last you will hear from me on this thread.

 

[jarhead]

Gawd this is tiresome. One can ONLY prove something IS there. If you can't prove they are there it is not reasonable to suggest they are there, absent any evidence to support that idea.. Why do you keep insisting that they are there. As the Tom Cruise line goes in the movie, SHOW ME THE MONEY.

I agree completely "Gawd this is tiresome", and this is the last you will hear from me on this thread.

Well, we're in sync with this statement you make. I'll say a "me too" as we're going in circles.

 

[turpentyine]

So why did we invade Iraq? Instead of Saudi Arabia or Iran or Syria?

I agree.

 

[staledog]

Very touching video.

One more vote against jarhead and those who think like him.

 

[sky37d]

What never fails to impress me is those who could never make a decision, criticizing those who did. IRaq right or wrong now, was right then. For the other guy to say they are a nuisance, just really gets me. Strikes me as someone who once served 4 months in VietNam, instead of the year that most did.

Years ago I walked by those places, and I've been to NYC a half dozen times since, but could never bring my self to go back there. Never will.

OH, and I vote against Jarhead and those like him. I think my avatar pretty much explains my position.

 

[jarhead]

What never fails to impress me is those who could never make a decision, criticizing those who did. IRaq right or wrong now, was right then. For the other guy to say they are a nuisance, just really gets me. Strikes me as someone who once served 4 months in VietNam, instead of the year that most did.

Years ago I walked by those places, and I've been to NYC a half dozen times since, but could never bring my self to go back there. Never will.

OH, and I vote against Jarhead and those like him. I think my avatar pretty much explains my position.

Two things:

First, Kerry NEVER SAID, that terror was a nuisance. He said he would like to reduce it to a nuisance. That’s a big difference. For anyone to say it could ever be totally eliminated is just not being realistic. Do you think that if we stated our goal would be to 100% eliminate rape, murder and bank robbery we could succeed? That’s ridiculous. There are always nut jobs out there who will strangle their wife or rob a bank. Terror would be much harder to totally eliminate than individual crimes.

Secondly, you can’t vote against me; I’m not running for office.

 

[BD King]

So why did we invade Iraq? Instead of Saudi Arabia or Iran or Syria?

First of all look at the website again.............Now then grab an atlas.......Ask yourself, as though your were the President, what would you do? What do you know? Let's take what you know. You know that a group of snake handling Muslims has just murdered 3000+ fellow Americans. You know that these people have struck before at the trade center. You know that (after the fact) that they shot down TWA800. [I state this as a fact. It was confirmed. Even John Kerry on two occasions after 9/11 confirmed it].

The culprit is Iran. Now what? Looking at your atlas, exactly how do you stage an invasion? How do you convince the rest of the world?..........Iraq is not Iran, but they are bad guys who have thumbed their nose at the world for the past eleven or twelve years. Go for it. The possible positives out weigh the negatives.

In regards to the rest of the world, tough. The French? Who cares. A little known fact for all of you aviators is that during the first Gulf War, Saddam deployed most of his fighters to Iran. Why? His airforce was primarily made up of French pilots!

Back to the subject. The positives........Some type of open government in a Muslem State. A State where you, in time, do not have to worry about covering your back. An example to all other Muslim States. You want to sway a country of oppression, give the vote and right to run for office to the their women. If there is a secret weapon, it is the women.

Oil.Iraq's input to the world's supply will and can stabilize the world's price for energy. The U.S. does not import that much oil from the Middle East, contrary to popular belief. However, Europe and China does. China's GNP is growing at 6% a year, which is almost unbelivable. At this moment they are experiencing brown and black outs for the lack of energy. If the terrorists remove just one of the Saudi's terminals, the cost of world crude will be staggering. The Chinese would be hamstrung, as would be North Korea. Iraq's oil imput would and will be a "Allah" send.

Iraq is the bait for the moronic terrorist. He is out of his hole. Better to face him in the desert than in Omaha.

Do we want to place pressure on Jordan, Syria, and even Saudi Arabia? Find a better place. Libya got the message. Iran has the message loud and clear.

The United States has always operated and done things, not necessarily for morals, but for its own best interest. And quite frankly, that is correct. Iraq and its people are guinea pigs. IF a stabilized government can be established, that entire part of the world will, in time, change. AND that is a big if, and an if that needs to be promoted.

In regards to the U.S. warriors who have died and sacrificed their health, may God have mercy and the U.S. citizen give comfort.

Jarhead is out of touch with today's "jarhead". Their "battle cry" today is "I'm Gonna Get Some".

Look at the website again.

 

[sky37d]

WELL SAID. Very well said.
Thank you

 

[FlyingToIST]

Jarhead,

I applaud your caurage about your views. I found most of the pilot communutiy to jump on the bandwagon of "Smoke 'em" for last 3 years. The events of Sept 11 are the most horrible terrorist activity in the human history; there is no doubt about it. But, to go in Iraq was nothing but a personal agenda. Iraq didn't attack us. It didn't harbor the people who attack us.

Going into Iraq , using this horrible event as an excuse, opened a pandoras box that made us lose all the credibility we had in the Western World. If you say "I don't care what they think about me" you are a fool becuase there is only 250 mils of us in the world of 4 bil.

 

[FlyingToIST]

First of all look at the website again.............Now then grab an atlas.......Ask yourself, as though your were the President, what would you do? What do you know? Let's take what you know. You know that a group of snake handling Muslims has just murdered 3000+ fellow Americans. You know that these people have struck before at the trade center. You know that (after the fact) that they shot down TWA800. [I state this as a fact. It was confirmed. Even John Kerry on two occasions after 9/11 confirmed it].

Libya got the message. Iran has the message loud and clear.

The United States has always operated and done things, not necessarily for morals, but for its own best interest. And quite frankly, that is correct. Iraq and its people are guinea pigs. IF a stabilized government can be established, that entire part of the world will, in time, change. AND that is a big if, and an if that needs to be promoted.

In regards to the U.S. warriors who have died and sacrificed their health, may God have mercy and the U.S. citizen give comfort.

Jarhead is out of touch with today's "jarhead". Their "battle cry" today is "I'm Gonna Get Some".

Look at the website again.

You are smoking Bush propaganda piper. Where on earth a democracy was established by invading a country? So, you invade Iraq, for no reasons at all, kill thousands of innocent people. Create a safe heaven for terrorists that wasn't before.. Hmm.. Good job..

I lost 3 very good friends of mine that were defending their country against the guerillas of PKK in late 1990s. They were fighting to defend Turkey agains the guerillas that were trying to take over the chunk of the country. That's what's called "defending your country" not invading Iraq that has got nothing to do with Sept. 11.

And now, the guerillas of PKK are under the US protection in Norther Iraq. give me a reason why on Earth US will not kick these assholes out of Iraq, if we are fighthing the war on terror..

Contrary what propaganda says, we have never been interested in establishing democracy by force, but we have always been interested in establishing a rule of dictatorship. Ferdinand Marcos, Shah of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, Augusto Pinochet, Usama bin Laden they have always been people who took power by our help. They killed thousands of innocent people under our own watch.

I had to laugh at Rumsfeld when he was complaining that Saddam killed innocent people, when at the same time he was shaking hands with him when the events of Halabja took place..

Neocons have no credibility for me.. Period..