ALPA: Time to learn from this vote.

[jea]

here is a question.... Should taco bell sue taco time for making tacos? because they dont do it the taco bell way? how about Krogers suing albertsons because they sell groceries- but not the kroeger way? these different groups could save millions in advertising! and be part of one professional organization!

same thing done diffrently... If you dont like our freedom to choose and make decisions go somewhere where you dont have those freedoms..

 

[coolyokeluke]

All of you union bashers would've just loved to be around in the 20's and 30's before unions got involved in this industry. I'm sure in your minds the reason this became a well compensated profession is the goodness of the hearts of airline managers. I suggest a breeze through Flying the Line to learn what it used to be like.

 

[OARfan]

Until the day ALPA makes one seniority list, and says here you go everybody. Those who want to join here's your chance, those that refuse can never work for an ALPA carrier. Then Skywesters might say hey, that's a pretty big deal maybe we should join. Until then everyone is in it for themselves whether you admit it or not. ALPA doesn't work when it has so many different interests in mind and dealing with a broken system of seniority that was created by the PILOT'S so many years ago. That's all been said here a million times already though.

 

[Flyprdu]

If the sentiments expressed on Flight Info were the prevailing sentiment of the actual pilot population, SkyWest, and Colgan would both be ALPA. This board predominatly is a union sympathizing, out of touch minority. Come here for entertainment not facts!

I had no idea that so much APATHY had seeped into the majority of the pilot population. No wonder all your landings suck these days.

 

[PCL_128]

For those of you who don't know JP, he was a member of the ASA MEC..... the second most number of votes belonged to him...... Would you want him speaking on your behalf????

I've disagreed plenty with JP, but I would rather have someone like JP represent me any day instead of a cowardly, back-stabbing, self-interested, destructive rep such as yourself.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

So.... and correct me if im wrong (because I'm sure you will) Though we have training, testing, and checkrides- as do you.. because we are not part of a Big kids club we are not professionals? I talk with my boss when I have issues. I dont run to a middle man. I dont always get the response I want- do you? do UsAir guys? do Mesa guys? How about ASA guys- do they all agree with you? nope. Are they professionals because of the club? no. They are professionals because they take pride in their work. They do a good job (most). We at SkyWest (most) take pride in our work. We are as professional as a group this large can be.

There are janitors that take pride in thier work. Pride in work is a good chararater trait...

I know the SKYW pilots are good pilots. I know that have good character.

The defenition of professional is not mine. I only sourced it. Simply put a professional has a code of ethics. Professionals work for the greater good of the public. SKYW pilots work for SKYW management... period. ALPA pilots, with thier safety and engineering dept., work for the betterment of the public... Our safety work is respected worldwide. What safety work does the SKYW pilots do offer to the make flying safer?

In addition, we have a process that if we don't like what our boss has to say we have a method to address these grievences. When you boss says no.. what do you do? You walk away and do what he says. You call your wife and tell her sorry... I'll be home later... someone else is making me work...

 

[jea]

There are janitors that take pride in thier work. Pride in work is a good chararater trait...

I know the SKYW pilots are good pilots. I know that have good character.

The defenition of professional is not mine. I only sourced it. Simply put a professional has a code of ethics. Professionals work for the greater good of the public. SKYW pilots work for SKYW management... period. ALPA pilots, with thier safety and engineering dept., work for the betterment of the public... Our safety work is respected worldwide. What safety work does the SKYW pilots do offer to the make flying safer?

In addition, we have a process that if we don't like what our boss has to say we have a method to address these grievences. When you boss says no.. what do you do? You walk away and do what he says. You call your wife and tell her sorry... I'll be home later... someone else is making me work...

so SkyWest pilots have no ethics? Im just trying to understand..

our QOL is better than most that is evident.. I think you are referring to mesa guys who get called at the end of a trip to be reassigned.. I havent heard of that happening here- not saying it hasnt... but I know it happens at mesa... arent they represented by your so called "Professional organization"?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

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[Rez O. Lewshun]

If it were coming from anyone but you, Rez, I might have considered it a valid point. But coming from a member of a castrated Union which is more concerned about its credibility on Capitol Hill than its membership...I will consider the source and hope that someday you will open your eyes and see ALPA for the laughing stock that it is. Good luck to AAA in getting ALPA decertified

You keep proving my point....

The state wouldn't need a prosecutor at any given trail of yours...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

That's a joke. As Orenstein would say: Go ahead and grieve it, we'll get to it when it's convenient for us.

I've won a few grievences...

What do the SKYW pilots do?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

. ALPA doesn't work when it has so many different interests in mind and dealing with a broken system of seniority that was created by the PILOT'S so many years ago. That's all been said here a million times already though.

That is the point!!

It is what it is... so we can compete or find common ground and work together! That is what the SKYW campaign was all about!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

so SkyWest pilots have no ethics? Im just trying to understand..

I don't know... do they? can you provide a copy?

our QOL is better than most that is evident.. I think you are referring to mesa guys who get called at the end of a trip to be reassigned.. I havent heard of that happening here- not saying it hasnt... but I know it happens at mesa... arent they represented by your so called "Professional organization"?

So is DAL, CAL, UAL, NWA, FEDEX, etc... you know...carriers that most of your pilots want to work at....

 

[hoover]

ALPA cannot secure mainline pay, workrules and schedules.

Only a unified pilot group can do that.

Yep, thank god for all those unified pilot groups at United, American, Delta, Northwest, Continental, and USAir who held the line on wages and benefits....oh wait...never mind

The skywest guys each voted in their own best interest. That's all you can reasonably expect from anyone.

It seems as though a non-union Skywest is more of a threat to ALPA than it is to the Skywest pilots

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The skywest guys each voted in their own best interest. That's all you can reasonably expect from anyone.

If you choose to live in a jungle...expect no rules!!

 

[PCL_128]

The skywest guys each voted in their own best interest. That's all you can reasonably expect from anyone.

Actually, I expect a lot more than that from people. Call it unrealistic if you want, but I expect people to have more common decency than to just look out for "number one" at the expense of everyone else.

 

[Gandalf]

Food for thought: All of you out there that are ALPA/Union haters that work for a non-union airline, or wish to work for a non-union airline. I hope you are happy and I sure hope that nothing happens in this industry to have you change employers.

US ALPA
Alaska, Aloha, AWA/USAir, ASTAR Air Cargo, ATA, Atlas Air Cargo, Continental, Delta ,Evergreen, FedEx, Gemini Air Cargo, Hawaiian, Kitty Hawk Cargo, Midwest Airlines, Northwest Airlines, Polar Air Cargo, Spirit, Sun Country, United

US - other Unions
American, AirTran, Frontier, Southwest, USA3000, ABX Air Cargo, UPS, Kalitta Air Cargo, World Air Cargo, NetJets, Flight Options

International Countries – Check out www.ifalpa.org
Algeria, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Caribbean, Chile, Columbia, Finland, France, Germany, Hong Kong, Iceland, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Jamaica, LeeWard Islands, Luxemborg, Malaysia, Mauritius, Mexico, Morocco, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, Singapore, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Trinidad & Tobago, Turkey, U.K., and Yugoslavia.

This list is not an exhaustive list…..

Hmmm….Not too many choices at THIS career level to work without some sort of union represenation.

Could it be that JA, BH, and CC have figured out some magic potion or formula in SGU that thousands if not millions of pilots now and in the past have not?

Interesting that worldwide, crossing all language and cultural differences commercial pilots choose time and time again to have union represenation.

If it was so bad to have a union represent us, if this career did not need it, if pilots of all experience levels, backgrounds, nationalities, religious, and cultural differences decided that it wasn’t right - then why do we find this list?

Are you going to let the "bad" experience of your first foray into this industry determine which company you work for? Are you never going to date even though you had a messy divorce? What a stupid question. Wait.........Hmmm......

Are you going to stick to those laurels and never work for a union represented airline/company? If so, that list is small my friends. Will I pass you in an airport terminal someday wearing the dreaded uniform of those on this list?

Why do pilots worldwide, choose to have union represenation?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Gandalf... problem is most pilots... ALPA including.. think that this profession is something to take from... they want want want... well anyone who is smart knows that if you a suck a resource dry without putting anything back... it will no longer proivde....

This concept is lost on the gimme crowd with short term solutions...

"I just wanna fly my trip and go home...leave me alone, I want to go home..."

 

[JoeMerchant]

The defenition of professional is not mine. I only sourced it. Simply put a professional has a code of ethics. Professionals work for the greater good of the public. SKYW pilots work for SKYW management... period. ALPA pilots, with thier safety and engineering dept., work for the betterment of the public...

What a total load of cr@p..... it is no wonder people laugh at ALPA..... You are implying that Skywest pilots aren't professional because they don't belong to ALPA? ALPA pilots work for the "betterment of the public"...... Do you actually believe these Herndon talking points? Keep it up Rez and watch ALPA lose more elections......

 

[JoeMerchant]

That is the point!!

It is what it is... so we can compete or find common ground and work together! That is what the SKYW campaign was all about!!

First you have to stop the competition Rez.... Skywest joining ALPA doesn't stop the competition.... You understand the problem, but you think we can all hold hands in Herndon and sing Cumbaya.... That doesn't stop competition... Only Brand Scope negotiated as part of mainline agreements will stop it...... and they will never exert the negotiating capital that it would take.....

ALPA carriers compete with each other just as much as they do with Skywest..... in fact the real bottom feeders are ALPA carriers.....

 

[JoeMerchant]

If you choose to live in a jungle...expect no rules!!

We all live in the same jungle.... some of us just pay 1.95% to a tribal chief to compete in that same jungle....