ALPA President and Delta Connection ASA Pilots to Picket SkyWest Headquarters

[Morning Wood]

A little arrogant? Not that you're biased or anything?

I just spoke to someone who was there and apparently Jerry greeted the picket line then went on to argue with Duane about how ASA needs to be at industry average pay. Is Jerry that stupid that he thought he'd convince Duane of anything? Apparently, he really looked like an ass. Clearly, he's more naieve in union dealings than anyone thought.

So I guess Duane thought he'd convince Atkin of anything? What did he think he was going to do, come running outside with a blank check?

 

[jehtplane]

OR, you could go to UPS and fly a 747 for 727 pay....RIGHT? THEBEST

No it is more like the 727 for 747 rates, the way it should be...

 

[jea]

The "way things are going" IS NOT THE FAULT OF ALPA OR UNIONS!!!!!!!!

It is the fault of whipsawing, and bottom feeder airlines like Mesa and Skywest (50 seat pay to 99 seaters)! Stop saying this is a union thing. Without our union, we would be in a hugh mess!!! They/it is not to blame! The blame is pressure to reduce our costs to keep up with others willing to underbid us for our flying! NOT THE UNION! Things are a mess for us at ASA because Skywest Inc is taking our airplanes and flying, and giving it to Skywest pilots. We want you to unionize to maybe put a stop to this, and insulate you SKYW pilots from facing it in the future, when they come for you next! How can you look at ASA and say you pin our problems on our having a union. Look in the mirror. There is our problem.

we dont want a union or insulation... im sorry that im your problem.... but it seems to me that if Skywest didnt buy you someone else would have- like mesa ha ha ha ha ha now thats funny..

 

[Hootie9750]

So folks, you can see that we have some SKyWest pilots on the same team with the GooJet and Freedom A-listers.

Are you ********************ing serious?? Skywest has been Skywest for 35 years, and last year they purchased ASA from bankrupt Delta. There is no alter ego carrier. Just one company that bought another company that was in bankruptcy. Do you even have a high school diploma?

 

[Blucher]

Are you ********************ing serious?? Skywest has been Skywest for 35 years, and last year they purchased ASA from bankrupt Delta. There is no alter ego carrier. Just one company that bought another company that was in bankruptcy. Do you even have a high school diploma?

Say what? I could have sworn Delta went into bankruptcy after the sale of ASA. Is that not the case?

-Blucher:erm:

 

[ASARJMan]

Say what? I could have sworn Delta went into bankruptcy after the sale of ASA. Is that not the case?

-Blucher:erm:

It is the case. SKYW bought ASA before DAL went into bankruptcy.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Hootie9750]

Yes, Skywest bought ASA from Delta one week before Delta entered into bankrupcty, as a shocker to everyone in the country. People could be heard for miles around, saying to one another how they couldnt believe that just one week ago Delta was doing so good financially and now they are in bankruptcy.

 

[ASARJMan]

they couldnt believe that just one week ago Delta was doing so good financially and now they are in bankruptcy.

I believe a big part of Delta filing bankruptcy when they did was the change in law where management loss alot of their decisions and the creditors were granted more say so during reorganizing, under the new law. Something like that anyway.

VOTED IN FAVOR!

 

[Blucher]

Are you ********************ing serious?? Skywest has been Skywest for 35 years, and last year they purchased ASA from bankrupt Delta. There is no alter ego carrier. Just one company that bought another company that was in bankruptcy. Do you even have a high school diploma?

Now that I'm beginning to worry about such things, where, exactly, do you live that they don't teach one how to read until the high school level? I've got a nephew in elementary school who can read and understand the news paper. I'm pretty sure that is all one would need to be able to determine a timeline for this issue.

As for people being shocked about an airline (any airline) going into bankruptcy after having to deal with not only world events (ala 9/11), but also corrupt leaders of such airlines who cared more about filling their own pockets as they jumped ship, rather than the dedicated life-long employees, no there probably weren't many shocked readers among the gallery.

Perhaps, assuming you are the proud holder of a high school diploma (as you insinuate others are not), you have noticed that it quickly became very tough for any legacy carrier to compete in an industry in which the government was allowing certain carriers to be "protected" under bankruptcy, while those who actually had a viable business plan suffered by actually having to pay their bills. Of course you can charge $39 cross country if you don't actually have to pay for anything you buy. Great!!! Super plan! Now what happens to the non-bankrupt carriers?

-Blucher:erm:

 

[LAMESAUCE]

ALPA: "Screw you, SkyWest, for screwing with the ASA Pilots!"
ALPA: "By the way, would you like some new bag tags so we can screw your pilots too?"

Again, unions are businesses, too.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

Lets solve this problem and give ASA back to Delta...

 

[Lance Uppercut]

No it is more like the 727 for 747 rates, the way it should be...

Idiot!!!

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Lets solve this problem and give ASA back to Delta...

I'll vote in favor of that!!!

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Say what? I could have sworn Delta went into bankruptcy after the sale of ASA. Is that not the case?

-Blucher:erm:

Same difference!!! Either way you were screwed, cause you were gonna get pimped out to SKYW or MESA!!!

 

[propsarebest]

I can definately understand your point- however, there gets to be a point where you try and make chicken salad out of chicken s#@t. What I mean is, with a tallentless management like we have at ASA, we have to give them all we can to make up for their mental handicap....follow me??? (simple numbers = simple math)

Horizon is partly owned by Alaskan......Unfortunately we lost our wholely owned subsidiary advantage. In addition to that, they don't have the burden of a 100+aircraft fleet of inefficient, fuel guzzling, airspace backlogging 50 seaters.......don't take offense- I drive one.

Horizon isn't owned by "Alaskan". Both AS and QX are owned by the Alaska Air Group, AAG. And as someone said QX isn't really a regional in the true sense, they have their own brand, and can survive by themselves.

 

[jehtplane]

Been trolling mostly on this board, but I have to agree with 79% N1.

Why are the SKW pilots on this board so happy to see ASA get kicked on the ground? Do we wish you ill? No one I've EVER spoken to here.

ALPA is not the fix all, but it is better than nothing.

So what do ASA pilots do to get YOUR respect......seriously. Would you rather us undercut you to try and get YOUR flying. Maybe we should.

After all, don't hate the playa, hate the game right?

I agree with you 100%. It is scary the lack of support I am reading, and just how ignoranrt people really are. I would hope that the opinions expressed do not represent any kind of majority at Skywest, if it is you guys should really be ashamed of yourselves. The ASA pilots are doing everything they can to make their lives better and standing up for themselves to set an industry leading contract, and still being bashed for picketing the Skywest G.O., Why?
And in the meantime watching 70 seat aircraft dissappear, transferred to Skywest airlines, a non union carrier and then have the balls to say why should we join ALPA, look what it has done for you? What would you like ALPA to do?
Things are in the mediators hands. Should the MEC go hold a gun to his head and say do something? What if the roles were reversed, you know what they say, what comes around goes around. Would you like the ASA pilots to take a paycut so they can start taking your aircraft?
I guess ignorance really is bliss.

 

[jehtplane]

Idiot!!!

Well that was intelligent.

 

[pgcfii2002]

The flying public doesn't care.......as long as they get the cheap seats.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

The flying public doesn't care.......as long as they get the cheap seats.

Bingo!!!