ALPA President and Delta Connection ASA Pilots to Picket SkyWest Headquarters

[homerjdispatch]

What did I say about the Spectrum? They made the union spokesman look like the bully and the local boy like the conciliatory statesman.

Or, as known locally, the "rectum".

 

[SkyNation]

Ron Reber said:

"Strange got even stranger when a busload of pilots wandered up and down our sidewalk today, representing the issues at Atlantic Southeast Airlines. My hope is that good sense and clear heads will prevail. There are a lot of good people at ASA; we should be able to figure this out."

 

[Morning Wood]

One of the Salt Lake TV stations showed the picketing. Unfortunately they just said pilots and not ASA pilots. To the uninformed, they are going to think it was SkyWest's pilots. Maybe I underestimated ALPA's exercise today.

 

[txpilot1974]

So folks, you can see that we have some SKyWest pilots on the same team with the GooJet and Freedom A-listers.

Would you mind explaining that? If the pilots here at SKW are that bad then why would you ever want to share a seniority list with us?

 

[relief tube]

Also can you bring in the SkyWest ALPA Organizing Commies, there are a few senior to me and I will get better trips this way.

Hope it rains. Have fun.

They don't have a contract for 4 years and you don't see their point in voicing their displeasure?

While you sit in that shiny 70 seater with your 50 seat pay, put down the Skywest brownies and realize that at most other regionals, contract negotiations are a fight to make this job respectable. Any added effort can go a long way.

 

[jea]

Duane was present in spirit. That's what counts.

Dude- are you serious? dumb A$$!!! i read that over 1/2 hour ago and im still laughing what a tool!!

I had to edit this- i was hoping it was sarcasm- im sorry for bashing you- but there are people there who will think that- ive met them..

 

[49W]

Dude- are you serious? dumb A$$!!! i read that over 1/2 hour ago and im still laughing what a tool!!

Duuuuuude are YOU serious? Can you say sarcasm?

 

[jea]

I know its still early, but if Duane doesn't bother to show up...Then ASA guys better understand where they stand on the priority list.

That's a shame.

And we want alpa at SkyWest why? so we can pay them for not representing us and filling our Christmas stockings with empty promises... I trust Jerry and his management team more than I would a low life union leader that no shows his own. Yeah I said I trust management here.

 

[goahead]

Skywest boys are underpaid and there is no doubt about it, so drop it. They don't care b/c they are eating their JA pie. Twenty year olds will never understand life or standing up for something.

 

[goahead]

BY the way we had just under 100 pilots there today, so after we get a stellar contract and you pansies get it b/c of us I expect many thanks for standing up for something. If your so happy then keep you single pay rate and don't put in your new working agreement that your 70-90 seat rates equal ours, that's being a lazy coward.

 

[79%N1]

The attitude of all these SKYW pilots simply freakin amazes me!!! ASA pilots are, and have been for OVER 4 YEARS, trying to negotiate a contract within the rules and confines of the railway labor act. And what are we negotiating for? Better wages and work rules to raise the bar a bit for this profession!!! Isnt that what we all want??? I just don't get you guys for constantly bashing us like were trying to kick some puppies!!! I realize life is great over there in Utah, but look across the fence at what we are going through and what we are trying to accomplish! You will benefit from our gains, as will the rest of this pathetic industry. Would we gain more respect from you guys if we were rolling over or undercutting you guys to try to take some of your flying and bring it to ASA???? It seems like it. Maybe since thats the mentality of so many of your pilots, you would respect that more because you understand it. Why picket SGU? Because that is the HQ of our parent company. Picketing is one of very few tools an airline union has to pressure the company in some way, any way. It is a tactic used in this industry by many of your peers. From FedEx to United to American to Delta. That is how it works. So, you guys hate unions. Great. That works for you. But we at ASA have one, and they are working to get us a fair contract, that at least brings us up to what you SKYW pilots currently enjoy, and maybe improve it a bit. Improvements that maybe you could ask to match in the future. We are at least not out trying to undercut everybody for their flying, further lowering the bar. Just cut us a break, walk a mile in our shoes. We are losing our aircraft to you at SKYW. We have deliveries slated for us diverted to you. You have had more upgrades this month than we have had all year! But yet you guys bash us for fighting to at least improve our work rules, job protection and pay, legally, with the means afforded us. It just makes no sense to me. So.....we picketed SJU. Just show some support, because as it is, you look like a bunch of greedy guys, joyous in your gains while we suffer our losses. Its no wonder many of the rest of the industry look down on you.

 

[homerjdispatch]

BY the way we had just under 100 pilots there today, so after we get a stellar contract and you pansies get it b/c of us I expect many thanks for standing up for something. If your so happy then keep you single pay rate and don't put in your new working agreement that your 70-90 seat rates equal ours, that's being a lazy coward.

63 was the number reported by someone at SGU with a window view of the circus....Not what I would call just under 100. And the MAJORITY werent ASA pilots from my understanding...Just a big publicity stunt.!!!

 

[CFIT]

BY the way we had just under 100 pilots there today, so after we get a stellar contract and you pansies get it b/c of us I expect many thanks for standing up for something. If your so happy then keep you single pay rate and don't put in your new working agreement that your 70-90 seat rates equal ours, that's being a lazy coward.

I only saw 31, maybe 32, I thought it was big of JA to come out and talk with you guys.

 

[goahead]

You wouldn't know b/c you weren't there, if you were a ASA pilot then you would see that just under 100 showed up. If you had a clue you would know that most of the time you can only get a permit for 30-40 people at a time to walk. But let me guess you know everything so try and change the subject.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I only saw 31, maybe 32, I thought it was big of JA to come out and talk with you guys.

Oh the humanity!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[PCL_128]

I only saw 31, maybe 32, I thought it was big of JA to come out and talk with you guys.

Most cities nationwide won't issue a permit for more than 25-35 people to protest/picket at a given time. The rest have to be off-site or out of view. This usually means that you have to set up shifts of 20-30 people and keep swapping them out by bussing the next group in. In DTW we had a permit for 40 at a time for a maximum. We had almost 100 pilots, but the rest had to wait in the airport Westin until their "shift" came up. They couldn't be outside in view.

"Big of JA?" That kool-aid you're drinking must be addictive.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Been trolling mostly on this board, but I have to agree with 79% N1.

Why are the SKW pilots on this board so happy to see ASA get kicked on the ground? Do we wish you ill? No one I've EVER spoken to here.

ALPA is not the fix all, but it is better than nothing.

So what do ASA pilots do to get YOUR respect......seriously. Would you rather us undercut you to try and get YOUR flying. Maybe we should.

After all, don't hate the playa, hate the game right?

 

[homerjdispatch]

Just saw a news brodcast...I owe an apology to ALPA and Capt. Woerth. He was there...The news showed him and Jerry face to face. He (capt. woerth) came off very arrogant and JA looked a little taken back. Not sure who to give round one too. If i had to score it, I would say 10-9 JA....

 

[PCL_128]

If i had to score it, I would say 10-9 JA....

Yeah, there's a surprise.

 

[SkyNation]

Why are the SKW pilots on this board so happy to see ASA get kicked on the ground? Do we wish you ill? No one I've EVER spoken to here.

I don't know of a single SKYW pilot, myself included, who wishes ya'll ill. I fan the flames, however, of people who insinuate that we are stupid, uninformed, blah blah blah for not voting in ALPA. This suggests that we would make more money with ALPA, have a better QOL with ALPA, have better future prospects with ALPA, etc. I see no evidence of this at ASA or any other ALPA represented regional.

I wish you all the best at ASA, but I'm not going to buy something that has such a poor customer satisfaction record.

signed,
formerly ALPA

 

[John Pennekamp]

One of the Salt Lake TV stations showed the picketing. Unfortunately they just said pilots and not ASA pilots. To the uninformed, they are going to think it was SkyWest's pilots. Maybe I underestimated ALPA's exercise today.

Bingo. Did you really think ALPA was gonna tell them about ASA? The message was "We're picketing Skywest".

 

[John Pennekamp]

Just saw a news brodcast...I owe an apology to ALPA and Capt. Woerth. He was there...The news showed him and Jerry face to face. He (capt. woerth) came off very arrogant and JA looked a little taken back. Not sure who to give round one too. If i had to score it, I would say 10-9 JA....

A little arrogant? Not that you're biased or anything?

I just spoke to someone who was there and apparently Jerry greeted the picket line then went on to argue with Duane about how ASA needs to be at industry average pay. Is Jerry that stupid that he thought he'd convince Duane of anything? Apparently, he really looked like an ass. Clearly, he's more naieve in union dealings than anyone thought.

 

[Blucher]

Homerjdispatch,

For some reason whenever I read any of your posts I get a picture in my head of you looking just like Jeff Anderson (sp?), though I'm not sure why. My appologies if I offend either one of you with that, it's just what I see in my mind.

-Blucher

 

[VeeOne]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

Oh, and for those that REALLY think raising the bar helps to push the industry forward, ask guys that have flown for the following how it's working for them:

-Comair
-Expressjet
-CCAir
-ACA

Being at the top of the pile hasn't done anyone any good. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SACRIFICE. Rather- your looked at as a member of the "Don't let this happen to you" club. If your really dead set on setting a top notch contract to raise the bar, and somehow think that translates into a master miracle of metamorphasis that cures ASA's problems to suddenly be the place to work- have yourself comitted.

Oh, and even if by some MAJOR miracle the entire regional industry pushes pay up a notch, some TARD will come in and start another "Lower than Low Cost Regional". AKA :Freedom/GoJet

 

[jea]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

Oh, and for those that REALLY think raising the bar helps to push the industry forward, ask guys that have flown for the following how it's working for them:

-Comair
-Expressjet
-CCAir
-ACA

Being at the top of the pile hasn't done anyone any good. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SACRIFICE. Rather- your looked at as a member of the "Don't let this happen to you" club. If your really dead set on setting a top notch contract to raise the bar, and somehow think that translates into a master miracle of metamorphasis that cures ASA's problems to suddenly be the place to work- have yourself comitted.

Oh, and even if by some MAJOR miracle the entire regional industry pushes pay up a notch, some TARD will come in and start another "Lower than Low Cost Regional". AKA :Freedom/GoJet

well said

 

[sweptback]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

If you really are an ASA pilot, sign on to the ASA MEC webpage. It quite plainly shows what we're asking for. They evey have pretty graphs that compare it to the DCI carriers (two of which will soon be in Section 6 negotiations).

 

[VeeOne]

If you really are an ASA pilot, sign on to the ASA MEC webpage. It quite plainly shows what we're asking for. They evey have pretty graphs that compare it to the DCI carriers (two of which will soon be in Section 6 negotiations).

Do they have the charts in color though- that's the important question????

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

Oh, and for those that REALLY think raising the bar helps to push the industry forward, ask guys that have flown for the following how it's working for them:

-Comair
-Expressjet
-CCAir
-ACA

Being at the top of the pile hasn't done anyone any good. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SACRIFICE. Rather- your looked at as a member of the "Don't let this happen to you" club. If your really dead set on setting a top notch contract to raise the bar, and somehow think that translates into a master miracle of metamorphasis that cures ASA's problems to suddenly be the place to work- have yourself comitted.

Oh, and even if by some MAJOR miracle the entire regional industry pushes pay up a notch, some TARD will come in and start another "Lower than Low Cost Regional". AKA :Freedom/GoJet

Well, Horizon pilots seem to be doing just fine...company is profitable, and the pilots make $20 an hour more than me at my seniority, and they match 10% on their 401K compared to our measly 6%. Don't buy into the misleading and untruthful argument by management that a few dollars more per flight hour for crews are the end all in the airlines ability to compete! Its only a very small percentage of the overall cost of operating the aircraft!!!

 

[VeeOne]

Well, Horizon pilots seem to be doing just fine...company is profitable, and the pilots make $20 an hour more than me at my seniority, and they match 10% on their 401K compared to our measly 6%. Don't buy into the misleading and untruthful argument by management that a few dollars more per flight hour for crews are the end all in the airlines ability to compete! Its only a very small percentage of the overall cost of operating the aircraft!!!

I can definately understand your point- however, there gets to be a point where you try and make chicken salad out of chicken s#@t. What I mean is, with a tallentless management like we have at ASA, we have to give them all we can to make up for their mental handicap....follow me??? (simple numbers = simple math)

Horizon is partly owned by Alaskan......Unfortunately we lost our wholely owned subsidiary advantage. In addition to that, they don't have the burden of a 100+aircraft fleet of inefficient, fuel guzzling, airspace backlogging 50 seaters.......don't take offense- I drive one.

 

[SSDD]

Horizon is a different type of regional. You can not compare any other regional to Horizon. They have a niche.