ALPA President and Delta Connection ASA Pilots to Picket SkyWest Headquarters

[PCL_128]

I only saw 31, maybe 32, I thought it was big of JA to come out and talk with you guys.

Most cities nationwide won't issue a permit for more than 25-35 people to protest/picket at a given time. The rest have to be off-site or out of view. This usually means that you have to set up shifts of 20-30 people and keep swapping them out by bussing the next group in. In DTW we had a permit for 40 at a time for a maximum. We had almost 100 pilots, but the rest had to wait in the airport Westin until their "shift" came up. They couldn't be outside in view.

"Big of JA?" That kool-aid you're drinking must be addictive.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Been trolling mostly on this board, but I have to agree with 79% N1.

Why are the SKW pilots on this board so happy to see ASA get kicked on the ground? Do we wish you ill? No one I've EVER spoken to here.

ALPA is not the fix all, but it is better than nothing.

So what do ASA pilots do to get YOUR respect......seriously. Would you rather us undercut you to try and get YOUR flying. Maybe we should.

After all, don't hate the playa, hate the game right?

 

[homerjdispatch]

Just saw a news brodcast...I owe an apology to ALPA and Capt. Woerth. He was there...The news showed him and Jerry face to face. He (capt. woerth) came off very arrogant and JA looked a little taken back. Not sure who to give round one too. If i had to score it, I would say 10-9 JA....

 

[PCL_128]

If i had to score it, I would say 10-9 JA....

Yeah, there's a surprise.

 

[SkyNation]

Why are the SKW pilots on this board so happy to see ASA get kicked on the ground? Do we wish you ill? No one I've EVER spoken to here.

I don't know of a single SKYW pilot, myself included, who wishes ya'll ill. I fan the flames, however, of people who insinuate that we are stupid, uninformed, blah blah blah for not voting in ALPA. This suggests that we would make more money with ALPA, have a better QOL with ALPA, have better future prospects with ALPA, etc. I see no evidence of this at ASA or any other ALPA represented regional.

I wish you all the best at ASA, but I'm not going to buy something that has such a poor customer satisfaction record.

signed,
formerly ALPA

 

[John Pennekamp]

One of the Salt Lake TV stations showed the picketing. Unfortunately they just said pilots and not ASA pilots. To the uninformed, they are going to think it was SkyWest's pilots. Maybe I underestimated ALPA's exercise today.

Bingo. Did you really think ALPA was gonna tell them about ASA? The message was "We're picketing Skywest".

 

[John Pennekamp]

Just saw a news brodcast...I owe an apology to ALPA and Capt. Woerth. He was there...The news showed him and Jerry face to face. He (capt. woerth) came off very arrogant and JA looked a little taken back. Not sure who to give round one too. If i had to score it, I would say 10-9 JA....

A little arrogant? Not that you're biased or anything?

I just spoke to someone who was there and apparently Jerry greeted the picket line then went on to argue with Duane about how ASA needs to be at industry average pay. Is Jerry that stupid that he thought he'd convince Duane of anything? Apparently, he really looked like an ass. Clearly, he's more naieve in union dealings than anyone thought.

 

[Blucher]

Homerjdispatch,

For some reason whenever I read any of your posts I get a picture in my head of you looking just like Jeff Anderson (sp?), though I'm not sure why. My appologies if I offend either one of you with that, it's just what I see in my mind.

-Blucher

 

[VeeOne]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

Oh, and for those that REALLY think raising the bar helps to push the industry forward, ask guys that have flown for the following how it's working for them:

-Comair
-Expressjet
-CCAir
-ACA

Being at the top of the pile hasn't done anyone any good. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SACRIFICE. Rather- your looked at as a member of the "Don't let this happen to you" club. If your really dead set on setting a top notch contract to raise the bar, and somehow think that translates into a master miracle of metamorphasis that cures ASA's problems to suddenly be the place to work- have yourself comitted.

Oh, and even if by some MAJOR miracle the entire regional industry pushes pay up a notch, some TARD will come in and start another "Lower than Low Cost Regional". AKA :Freedom/GoJet

 

[jea]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

Oh, and for those that REALLY think raising the bar helps to push the industry forward, ask guys that have flown for the following how it's working for them:

-Comair
-Expressjet
-CCAir
-ACA

Being at the top of the pile hasn't done anyone any good. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SACRIFICE. Rather- your looked at as a member of the "Don't let this happen to you" club. If your really dead set on setting a top notch contract to raise the bar, and somehow think that translates into a master miracle of metamorphasis that cures ASA's problems to suddenly be the place to work- have yourself comitted.

Oh, and even if by some MAJOR miracle the entire regional industry pushes pay up a notch, some TARD will come in and start another "Lower than Low Cost Regional". AKA :Freedom/GoJet

well said

 

[sweptback]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

If you really are an ASA pilot, sign on to the ASA MEC webpage. It quite plainly shows what we're asking for. They evey have pretty graphs that compare it to the DCI carriers (two of which will soon be in Section 6 negotiations).

 

[VeeOne]

If you really are an ASA pilot, sign on to the ASA MEC webpage. It quite plainly shows what we're asking for. They evey have pretty graphs that compare it to the DCI carriers (two of which will soon be in Section 6 negotiations).

Do they have the charts in color though- that's the important question????

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Hell- I've been at ASA for 2 years, and I'm still trying to figure out what in the hell we are asking for........one moment it's industry average, then it's industry leading to raise the bar, then it's above average but everyone else will surpass us to make us subaverage only to make our target of industry average for the DCA that has specified our averageness........Clear to everyone- good. Carry On-

Oh, and for those that REALLY think raising the bar helps to push the industry forward, ask guys that have flown for the following how it's working for them:

-Comair
-Expressjet
-CCAir
-ACA

Being at the top of the pile hasn't done anyone any good. NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR SACRIFICE. Rather- your looked at as a member of the "Don't let this happen to you" club. If your really dead set on setting a top notch contract to raise the bar, and somehow think that translates into a master miracle of metamorphasis that cures ASA's problems to suddenly be the place to work- have yourself comitted.

Oh, and even if by some MAJOR miracle the entire regional industry pushes pay up a notch, some TARD will come in and start another "Lower than Low Cost Regional". AKA :Freedom/GoJet

Well, Horizon pilots seem to be doing just fine...company is profitable, and the pilots make $20 an hour more than me at my seniority, and they match 10% on their 401K compared to our measly 6%. Don't buy into the misleading and untruthful argument by management that a few dollars more per flight hour for crews are the end all in the airlines ability to compete! Its only a very small percentage of the overall cost of operating the aircraft!!!

 

[VeeOne]

Well, Horizon pilots seem to be doing just fine...company is profitable, and the pilots make $20 an hour more than me at my seniority, and they match 10% on their 401K compared to our measly 6%. Don't buy into the misleading and untruthful argument by management that a few dollars more per flight hour for crews are the end all in the airlines ability to compete! Its only a very small percentage of the overall cost of operating the aircraft!!!

I can definately understand your point- however, there gets to be a point where you try and make chicken salad out of chicken s#@t. What I mean is, with a tallentless management like we have at ASA, we have to give them all we can to make up for their mental handicap....follow me??? (simple numbers = simple math)

Horizon is partly owned by Alaskan......Unfortunately we lost our wholely owned subsidiary advantage. In addition to that, they don't have the burden of a 100+aircraft fleet of inefficient, fuel guzzling, airspace backlogging 50 seaters.......don't take offense- I drive one.

 

[SSDD]

Horizon is a different type of regional. You can not compare any other regional to Horizon. They have a niche.