ALPA is dead!

[B6Driver]

I just hope they last long enough to pay out for all the law suits against them. Mine first that is. What a crooked operation these thief's are running.

 

[islandhopper]

Ok, can we hear how great ALPA is from someone BESIDES FedEx people?


....(crickets chirping)....

ALPA is working over here. ALPA is what your local membership makes of it. Hearing our attorneys argue in front of a BK judge in Honolulu made me think every cent of union dues I ever paid ALPA were well worth it. The AFA has a kick ass attorney too. More airlines need to stand up to these corporate raiders and call their bluffs. Our 1113c should get thrown out tomorrow morning.

 

[TonyC]

That's just one of my points... we complain about how inept and greedy managements at the legacies are ruining the spirit... ie. taking their bonuses and increse in wages while asking for cuts and jobs from the unions. One would think the very leadership at alpa would do the same.... not! Yes he makes well over 400K including a Lincoln which is new every two years... no pay cut yet since 9/11. I even think he's taken a raise since then. From the top down alpa has not shown me anything except stupidity, greed and mismanagement.... just like the legacy managements. If I am so wrong then please show me where I am off and I'll eat my words...

ps-except for you fedex guys...you don't count, yet. And hopefully never will....

Well, you still don't seem to "get it." Your attitude is just like the other children who pick up their lousy marbles and cry all the way home. "If I was a member, I'd quit," you say. Why not, "If I was a member, I'd use my vote to change the President's compensation"? ANY member can propose a resolution at an LEC meeting, and that resolution can go all the way to change Capt. Woerth's compensation. IF everyone is so upset about it, why has nobody tried to change it?

Because spineless morons like Foxhunter prefer to throw stones from the outside rather than participate in changes from the inside. Again, that's the nice version.

Does ALPA have its warts? Its faults? Its shortcomings? You betcha. As long as it's being run by human beings, there will continue to be mistakes. But for all its warts, for all its blemishes, for all the mistakes that have been made in the past, there is not another organization that better equips pilots to work together to ensure a safe, secure future in professional aviation. If you know of a better way to skin the cat, I'm all ears.




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[Special Ed]

I can't speak for all the other airlines, only the 2 ALPA carriers I flew for,(WestAir, and Coex) but without exception, my days off, pay, and QOL all went down when ALPA came in. Why anyone would want them at all is a mystery to me.

 

[Jim]

OK, can we hear how great ALPA is from someone BESIDES FedEx people?


....(crickets chirping)....


Right. That actually makes Tailhookah's point. The ONLY people left for whom ALPA has done some good is FedEx. .....

Actually, I think ALPA did a great job for the Hawaiian pilots during our recent bankruptcy. ALPA National provided resources, manpower, financial assistance and advice throughout the entire process. Further, when HAL ALPA disagreed with the advice, ALPA National said "OK, we'll do it your way" and provided additional resources, manpower and financial assistance. The HAL pilots stood their ground and National supported them. From what I've heard, the Aloha ALPA is standing strong too and receiving great support from ALPA National.

The problem is not ALPA National. The problem is weak MECs and membership at the various airlines. FedEx has a strong MEC with strong membership support.

And yes, I'm furloughed and HAL ALPA's strong stance probably slowed down my recall. But their strong stance ensured that I will have a good salary, good work rules and good retirement to come back to when I am recalled.

That being said, I do think it is time for a new leader at ALPA National. We need a stronger leader than Duane Worth.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I can't speak for all the other airlines, only the 2 ALPA carriers I flew for,(WestAir, and Coex) but without exception, my days off, pay, and QOL all went down when ALPA came in. Why anyone would want them at all is a mystery to me.

How did your days off, pay, and Q of L go down at Continental Express when ALPA came on board in 2001?

-Neal

 

[TWA Dude]

P.S.--TWA Dude--right attitude, 15 years too late.

Yeah, but isn't my optimism infectious?

 

[Freight Dog]

Doesn't he make over $500,000.00 a year plus a car? He's just a pilot, you think he would make sacrifices like the people he represents.

Did you know that according to FAA records, Duane Woerth's last FAA physical was in 1998?

 

[merlindrvr88]

Hey TC

Well, you still don't seem to "get it." Your attitude is just like the other children who pick up their lousy marbles and cry all the way home. "If I was a member, I'd quit," you say. Why not, "If I was a member, I'd use my vote to change the President's compensation"? ANY member can propose a resolution at an LEC meeting, and that resolution can go all the way to change Capt. Woerth's compensation. IF everyone is so upset about it, why has nobody tried to change it?

Because spineless morons like Foxhunter prefer to throw stones from the outside rather than participate in changes from the inside. Again, that's the nice version.

Does ALPA have its warts? Its faults? Its shortcomings? You betcha. As long as it's being run by human beings, there will continue to be mistakes. But for all its warts, for all its blemishes, for all the mistakes that have been made in the past, there is not another organization that better equips pilots to work together to ensure a safe, secure future in professional aviation. If you know of a better way to skin the cat, I'm all ears.




What has ALPA done lately??? I see pensions gone, men who have worked for 35+ years have everything wiped out. 50% pay cuts and more. Everything they worked for is gone, and Duuuuuayne has a new car. Shouldn't a union at least protect the pensions of a retired employee??? They cannot even do that!!! That cannot stop the wage decrease, they cannot stop the increase in medical payments. But.....the management still get raises!!! What can they doooo!!! I am with you, when you say is there a better way to skin a cat. I do not Know, but ALPA has let me and my family down. You ask me, shoot the f**kin cat. And let's start over.

 

[merlindrvr88]

Thank you Tail

Yes, you heard it here first. I think that the effectiveness of ALPA is done. All the hard work, sacrifices and DUES have all been flushed down the toilet. The whole idea behind a large nationwide union representing a large portion of airline pilots was nothing other than the ability to organize a solidarity movement to effectively combat against inept and broken management. I'm sorry to report that this has not happend, or will happen. If ALPA was such a solvent organization then all of the alpa mec's would've backed each other up..... but since alpa got in too deep by representing everyone it was a situation that was inescapable. You can't represent one mec that has scope protection from another mec getting larger... it was done and now we all can see that aside from individual greivences protecting single pilots here and there the whole organization has failed all of us. When things started going sour then all of the mec's should have backed each other up and collectively statged walkouts etc. That's how organizing is supposed to work. It didn't happen and from what I can see will never happen. There's too much us vs. them mentalitly in the SAME organization. If I was a paying alpa member (and not furloughed) I would stand up and cancel my membership... what good has it done for you lately?

ps- Duane Woerth has not taken a single paycut yet.... is this the leadership you want representing you?

Thanks tail, I agree

 

[FoxHunter]

Well, you still don't seem to "get it." Your attitude is just like the other children who pick up their lousy marbles and cry all the way home. "If I was a member, I'd quit," you say. Why not, "If I was a member, I'd use my vote to change the President's compensation"? ANY member can propose a resolution at an LEC meeting, and that resolution can go all the way to change Capt. Woerth's compensation. IF everyone is so upset about it, why has nobody tried to change it?

Because spineless morons like Foxhunter prefer to throw stones from the outside rather than participate in changes from the inside. Again, that's the nice version.

Does ALPA have its warts? Its faults? Its shortcomings? You betcha. As long as it's being run by human beings, there will continue to be mistakes. But for all its warts, for all its blemishes, for all the mistakes that have been made in the past, there is not another organization that better equips pilots to work together to ensure a safe, secure future in professional aviation. If you know of a better way to skin the cat, I'm all ears.




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tony,

The ALPA proposal October 1, 2005 seeks a 8% pay raise DOS, 4% DOS+1, 4% DOS+2, 4% DOS+3. I s this equal to the implied promise when we had the campaign to vote on the merger with ALPA? Geez, I thought everyone expect 30%+. How correct I was.

Yes tony, ALPA at one time was a power, just like the British Empire, no longer. I have no doubt that Duanne will try to work on your behalf until the Association buys him that annuity that will pay him $150,000 per year. I suspect he has little worry that his ALPA pension is underfunded and will be dumped on the PBGC.

I happened to see a copy of "Positive Rate" left on an airplane. It did not contain a "NON-MEMBERS" list. Has the leadership decided to protect the non-members or have they decided that it would not be in the interest of the Association for the membership to know the size of the non-members list?

Thank you for your kind comments.

 

[merlindrvr88]

Thanks fox

tony,

The ALPA proposal October 1, 2005 seeks a 8% pay raise DOS, 4% DOS+1, 4% DOS+2, 4% DOS+3. I s this equal to the implied promise when we had the campaign to vote on the merger with ALPA? Geez, I thought everyone expect 30%+. How correct I was.

Yes tony, ALPA at one time was a power, just like the British Empire, no longer. I have no doubt that Duanne will try to work on your behalf until the Association buys him that annuity that will pay him $150,000 per year. I suspect he has little worry that his ALPA pension is underfunded and will be dumped on the PBGC.

I happened to see a copy of "Positive Rate" left on an airplane. It did not contain a "NON-MEMBERS" list. Has the leadership decided to protect the non-members or have they decided that it would not be in the interest of the Association for the membership to know the size of the non-members list?

Thank you for your kind comments.

Thanks fox, I agree

 

[IB6 UB9]

Tony C said:

Does ALPA have its warts? Its faults? Its shortcomings? You betcha. As long as it's being run by human beings, there will continue to be mistakes. But for all its warts, for all its blemishes, for all the mistakes that have been made in the past, there is not another organization that better equips pilots to work together to ensure a safe, secure future in professional aviation. If you know of a better way to skin the cat, I'm all ears.




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How does one respond to this type of lunacy. ALPA has turned their back on just about every company out there. I assure you that if your airline was ailing like all the others you would be in the same boat. "A secure future in aviation" you say? WTF are you talking about? Please give me one example where ALPA has helped me secure my future. Please exclude the magazine. You need to get your head out of your as$ pal. Luckily you have landed at an extremely profitable airline. I am sure it had nothing to do with your insight, and nothing to do with ALPA.

 

[DwayneWorthless]

ALPA dead?

What chew talkin' bout WILLIS? ALPA is not dead, were just a little quiet right now. See the Major Boys are starting to loose their standings and we (ALPA) have been $h*tting on the Regional Boys for so long, we've got sit in the corner right now. As soon as we figure who is going to get the flying, we'll support them. Hey, we know where to put our lips and kiss the A$$ that pays the highest amount of DUES. Don't for get to pay your DUES.

 

[TonyC]

Please give me one example where ALPA has helped me secure my future.

Who has been on Capitol Hill lately lobbying for pension reform? YOUR Company?




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