ALPA fails at JB

[ATR-DRIVR]

The most miserable group of pilots ever assembled.

Also, the only time in my career I've been embarrassed to wear a uniform.

Absolutely correct. The 'reasons' for being a no vote that I have heard is truly stunning.... embarassed is putting it very mildly.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

While recently jumpseating on a DAL flight, had a DAL Capt tell me that "as an ALPA member, he needed to urge me to vote in ALPA, of course, he planned on voting them out at DAL as soon as he could" His words, not mine.

That's because he knows how important representation is in this profession. He knew you had a choice between the current "DR" (zero representation) or having the opportunity to collectively negotiate a CBA with proper representation (in this case with ALPA). DAL has over 10,000 pilots who operate under a CBA with proper representation. SOME of their pilots may want different representation, but ALL of their pilots would rather have their current form of representation over a "DR." Next time you are on a DAL flight, I urge you to ask both pilots if they would perfer to go unrepresented or have ALPA on the property.

DAL is also in a much better position to form an in-house union (if it ever gets a majority vote) because they have 10,000 pilots already operating under a CBA. JetBlue has 2200 pilots and no CBA. This isn't rocket science. It's business. Ask your ELT who negotiated their contracts. Their third party representatives did. Why? Because they "get it"......93% of the domestic airline pilots in this country "get it".....hopefully some day the remaining 1193 bluejet pilots will "get it" before it's too late!

As pilots, we are the managers of our profession. From a business journal.......

"A manager must be able to separate emotion from a given business situation. Making decisions based on emotion or sentiment can lead to bad results. And reacting to situations emotionally rather than reacting based on logic and facts can do lasting damage to employee, vendor or customer relationships."

 

[B6Busdriver]

While recently jumpseating on a DAL flight, had a DAL Capt tell me that "as an ALPA member, he needed to urge me to vote in ALPA, of course, he planned on voting them out at DAL as soon as he could" His words, not mine.

What you failed to realize is this vote was about representation vs no representation. The DAL pilot wants to trade one union for another, not trade for the Direct Relationship. When you wake up and realize the DR is a fraud then you will have a moment of clarity.

 

[johnsonrod]

It's like skydiving with no reserve parachute - and you packed the original yourself for the first time.... Not good.

I can't wait to see what bones Barger throws your way...

 

[coogebeachhotel]

One divided house. That is for sure. Management loves division.

 

[Fubijaakr]

Barger isn't throwing any bones. He doesn't have to.

 

[kommutrdog]

I don't wholly disagree- Clinton signed the repeal of glass-steagal- but there is one party in particular that has blocked funding of frank-Dodd - there is one party that refuses to see value in regulating banks and creates this free for all in the banking industry-
But these are details - there is also one party that represents anti-union airline pilots.... And we all know who that is.

True about Glass-Steagal, along with NAFTA and all the other tactics that have been used to break the middle class and bust the unions.

That being said, ALPA sh*t their own nest for so long that I seriously doubt that it will remain a viable entity much longer. You reap what you sow.

I am curious about how the company reacts. Although the percentages imply that this was a "big" win for the company, the underlying anti-ALPA resentment and simple election math really show that this was much closer than it appears:

If 157 pilots would have voted the other way, we'd have ALPA on the property.

157 out of 2100 isn't that many to sway next time around. The company has to know this and unless certain issues get addressed, there will be a next time.

In my opinion, if the company is smart, they throw a few million $ towards the JBPA and say: "Here. Organize. We'll codify everything in the current relationship into a CBA and this headache goes away".

I'm not optiminstic, though.

 

[PCL_128]

Sorry, guys. But don't give up. I remember how depressed the Colgan OC was after their first vote failed by a small margin, and a little over a year later they had a huge majority vote in favor and they were ALPA members. Keep the faith.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Sorry, guys. But don't give up. I remember how depressed the Colgan OC was after their first vote failed by a small margin, and a little over a year later they had a huge majority vote in favor and they were ALPA members. Keep the faith.

Thanks!!!!!

 

[kommutrdog]

ALPA = DOA

For the record, I believe we are in need of a CBA. But ALPA...err, ah...lemme think....NO.

You can thank Duane Woerth and his ilk for the wake trail of distrust and accrimony which ALPA has carry around its neck like a millstone.

This vote was not a resounding "pro company" vote. If we change the minds of 157 pilots next time around, then we would end up with representation.

157 pilots is all that is required.

157. I'm interested to see how the company reacts. Will they "get it"? I'm not optimistic.