All Eagle pilots getting numbers at AA?

[DGdaPilot]

AA retaining ownership of Eagle's fleet, so as a seperate company they will have to bid to retain the flying. This means cost structure is going to have to come in line with other competing regionals. Eagle also will have the ability to bid for business from other majors current regional feed which could open them up to operating larger aircraft, that might offset some of the cost.

Also I read somewhere today that Eagle has two certificates and could use one to operate larger aircraft and retained AA flying on the other. Can anyone cofirm or clarify this?

That is correct. We own and operate our jets on the MQ certificate and our ATRs on the NA certificate.

 

[glasspilot]

You talked about 911 displacing captains, which was a direct result of the previous flow back provision of Letter 3/Supp. W. That provision no longer exists.

Also, the 16 year contract was not signed solely on a flow program. It was mainly to stop the whipsaw of the 4 Eagles, which it successfully stopped.

Stick to what you know, son.

Ah, there it is. The FI establishment of male dominance. Calling me "son" somehow elevates you into a position of authority. If you were a monkey you'd show your red butt to impress, but here you use inappropriate use of social status, claiming the dominate role for yourself with zero grounds to do so.

Okay "Dad". My point remains flow through is like welfare and any pilot would be way better off to simply apply themselves and, well, apply.

 

[rod farva]

So much for any American hiring for the next 5-10 years. Good luck to the 300-hour co-pilot in the MD-80 schoolhouse. Unbelieveable. What a joke.

 

[flyboyike]

I am pretty sure they would net a loss on that type of transaction. At least their theory for the past 10 years or so has been the opposite. If the labor cost (or any cost for that matter)at a certain regional gets too high, then they will just move the flying to another younger one and destroy the original. They have shown they don't have any problems doing that.

You're right in that "they have no problem doing that", but the other side of that issue is that "they" can only do that so many times. With all these mergers and buyouts the number of regionals will continue to decrease, thus limiting "their" options of continuous shuffling of flying.

My hunch (only a hunch) at the moment is that ALPA national is operating on the premise that regional flying as we know it today will disappear in the next decade just because there will be nobody left to do it, so all this will be a moot point sooner than we think.

 

[glasspilot]

jealous much? so i guess waiting on an upgrade to captain is a free hand out as well?

Yes, that's exactly right. Waiting for upgrade is a hand out. Also, waiting for a paycheck is a hand out. When you earn something that's called a hand out.


Oh wait, that's stupid. Those things were earned so, duh, by definition it's not a hand out.

Giving you a job at a major airline because you got hired 20 years ago at some regional with 600 hours...would that be earned or handed out? If it's earned then why don't all the 20 year pilots at other regionals get the job? You tell me.


Look, I'm talking to the non-lazy people here who have desire and motivation in life and want to excel. Don't wait for your number to move forward. Leap frog all the lazy people who are going to sit back and wait for what they think is owed them. The numbers are on your side. The Majority of pilots going to AA will still be off the street. Use that to your advantage and let all those who think flow through is great languish in their own laziness and self pity.

Chjack, to answer your question...no, I'm not at all jealous.

 

[Paradoxus]

Chjack, to answer your question...no, I'm not at all jealous.

Your acrimony comes as no shock to me...

Agreed, though: jealous is a completely improper moniker.

What you have, asspilot, is a savage affliction of non-unionized, house-slave arrogance. It burns you to see these regional-types getting cut a break they themselves worked to negotiate with the company, does it not?

You've got some set floating in here and calling this negotiated business arrangement between pilots and management (within the same company no less) welfare.

 

[glasspilot]

Hey Harvard, fancy running into you here!

Thanks for noticing my set. I think a guy as smart as you can see my point has nothing to do with the negotiating process. I'm making fun of what they negotiated. It is welfare and if my MEC gave up one penny or benefit of mine for it I'd be upset.

Nice talking to ya! See ya around!


P.S. try to stop thinking about my ballz.

 

[chjack]

what glasspilot is missing, is that this is not an emplyment contract. any of the guys at eagle are free to apply to any other major, or flying job that they so choose.

all this is, is insurance, not welfare. and you might not be jealous, but you are certainly upset that it wasnt offered to you by whatever regional you are/were at.

 

[bentpilot]

What happens if the organization that the Eagle pilots are flying for after Eagle is sold folds (ie. Independence Air) prior to the pilots ability to flow to AA?

 

[enuffalready]

what happens when AA puts out an RFP and eagle doesnt get it.... then it happens again... then it happens again....

 

[glasspilot]

what glasspilot is missing, is that this is not an emplyment contract. any of the guys at eagle are free to apply to any other major, or flying job that they so choose.

all this is, is insurance, not welfare. and you might not be jealous, but you are certainly upset that it wasnt offered to you by whatever regional you are/were at.

No, I get it. Flow through. Not too complicated. And it is welfare. And it's a trap, just like welfare. It traps people into complacency and discourages working to better yourself.

Why bother going out and getting that job when you can just sit back, relax and wait?

Notice how you can't tell if my last sentence was about flow through or welfare?

If they were to offer it I suppose I'd take it. But that's the problem, they didn't offer it. The union had to negotiate for it. Nothing is ever "given" away at the table. Everything must be paid for. What did Eagle lose to ensure their lazy could be handed a job at a major?

 

[Sy-bill]

I have to admit that I find this whole deal suspicious. AMR must have some other plan to allow them to accept something that has been historically the opposite of how they have been in selecting candidates for AA. Granted, it has been a long time since AA has hired but before that time they were one of, if not the most, demanding when it came to their hiring standards.

I am assuming that they are going to be either selling or divesting, or both, of Eagle in the near future. If I were an eagle pilot, I would be very concerned at this unusual agreement.

 

[damnflyboy]

I want money.

 

[xjhawk]

Why would they create new flows with ASA and Skywest when they didn't even want to keep the ones that were already negotiated? The only thing I could see happening is if they payed Delta off to do it. Other than that, it makes no sense.

yeah if delta were worried about finding pilots in the future they would have kept the 100or so Mesaba guys who would have loved to go to delta in the coming years. Instead what they did is screw most of a pilot group who was pretty happy with the deal they had on their plate. Oh and why would skywest negotiate a guaranteed loss of pilots for a huge maybe on getting more. What they need to do is keep qualified pilots to keep training costs down. Delta for sure is not going to think a skywest pilot is better than a compass or mesaba pilot. Delta wants to control who they hire-unless they "hire" newbies off the street for a contracted amount of time at skywest for a future job at delta. doubt it

 

[OurMoney1]

Congrats to all but word of caution.

This industry has knack for kicking you in the sack.

Dont count on anything but more change.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Yes, that's exactly right. Waiting for upgrade is a hand out. Also, waiting for a paycheck is a hand out. When you earn something that's called a hand out.


Oh wait, that's stupid. Those things were earned so, duh, by definition it's not a hand out.

Kinda like how you've earned the reputation of resident ******************************? :beer:

 

[FO 4 Life]

So much for any American hiring for the next 5-10 years. Good luck to the 300-hour co-pilot in the MD-80 schoolhouse. Unbelieveable. What a joke.

Just a WAG, the first 1000 Eagle pilots to go probably have over 10,000 hours. By the time it gets down to #2800, that person will probably have a similar amount.

 

[tomdav]

If they were to offer it I suppose I'd take it. But that's the problem, they didn't offer it. The union had to negotiate for it. Nothing is ever "given" away at the table. Everything must be paid for. What did Eagle lose to ensure their lazy could be handed a job at a major?

Lazy=regional job?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So much for any American hiring for the next 5-10 years. Good luck to the 300-hour co-pilot in the MD-80 schoolhouse. Unbelieveable. What a joke.

No worries!
The average short bus, styrofoam helmet wearing retard can fly anything currently in the airline industry. If you find anything difficult about airline flying, you might be on the short end of the IQ curve. My greatest challenge on a daily basis is to not scratch my azz in the terminal, thus showing my disdain for all who are about.
PBR

 

[glasspilot]

Lazy=regional job?

I didn't say that. If you're at a regional and like it there then that's great. To each their own. But if that was the case then you wouldn't be affected by flow through so we're not talking about that guy.

This is about guys who are at Eagle and want to be at AA. Most would just get the experience and then go apply. For some they want it handed to them even if it means waiting many many years bypassing thousands in seniority and hundreds of thousands of dollars. That guy is lazy and/or trapped in the welfare of flow through.