All Eagle pilots getting numbers at AA?

[mxaviator]

Directly from SH.

I second that.

In recurrent he said they are looking at a deal to guarantee a Delta interview to new hires after three years of service. This is aparently going to be a recruiting tool for ASA. For those of us already here, "oh yeah, we'll figure something out for you too..."

Back on topic, sounds like a good deal for AE. I hope it works out well for them.

 

[gator_hater]

There was an article about this a couple months ago. Delta was mentioned but the story was clearly airlines in general are looking at a mxaviator type model. However it wasn't a job after 3 years it was an interview. What that means for the Guys already here is anyone's guess.

 

[Erlanger]

Does this mean announcement later today, Wed. July 20th. 2011 that Eagle is sold?

 

[bri5150]

Something to think about is cost...... by having a flow, Delta guarantees themselves a steady flow of pilots from the upper level of the regional pilots, thus lowering their cost for regional feed.

I am pretty sure they would net a loss on that type of transaction. At least their theory for the past 10 years or so has been the opposite. If the labor cost (or any cost for that matter)at a certain regional gets too high, then they will just move the flying to another younger one and destroy the original. They have shown they don't have any problems doing that.

 

[damnflyboy]

businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OJBT0G0.htm

Yup...maybe announced today.

 

[glasspilot]

Why is this good news? Flow through programs are like wellfare for pilots. If you want a job at a major then how about you go out and earn it? Go interview and study and buy a suit and all that. Why would anyone want to be givin the job they didn't even apply for or put forth effort to get?

Even with the flow through you would still be WAY better offto NOT wait for your free hand out. You could be hired years earlier if you just get off your butt and go earn it. They are only taking 35%. That means 65% are off the street. Go get 'em! Don't wait for your government cheese to be dropped off at your feet. Go out and apply and show some gumption and spine and get a job!

...or, just wait with all he other welfare pilots until they tell you it's time to move up to the right seat of a guppy... in 20 or 30 years.

Last point, didn't you eagle pilots learn your lesson yet? You signed that 16 year crap contract just to get flow through and the flow through turned out to be the worst part of the contract when AA displaced all your captains after 911. You guys are the poster airline of why flow through is BAD and you go out and do this...

 

[centralpilot]

Does this mean announcement later today, Wed. July 20th. 2011 that Eagle is sold?

"[American] currently envisions the divestiture as a spin-off, however, it remains open to other options, including a sale, as the transaction moves forward."

AMR Corporation Announces Intent to Move Forward With the Divestiture of American Eagle

 

[Sy-bill]

This now puts Eagle in business for themselves. They have the highest operating costs in the business.

This is bad news. This settlement of the grievance was a move to go forward. I wonder from an Eagle pilots point of view if there is any real value with the opportunity presented with the settlement.

This business can be just awful.

 

[chjack]

Why is this good news? Flow through programs are like wellfare for pilots. If you want a job at a major then how about you go out and earn it? Go interview and study and buy a suit and all that. Why would anyone want to be givin the job they didn't even apply for or put forth effort to get?

Even with the flow through you would still be WAY better offto NOT wait for your free hand out. You could be hired years earlier if you just get off your butt and go earn it. They are only taking 35%. That means 65% are off the street. Go get 'em! Don't wait for your government cheese to be dropped off at your feet. Go out and apply and show some gumption and spine and get a job!

...or, just wait with all he other welfare pilots until they tell you it's time to move up to the right seat of a guppy... in 20 or 30 years.

Last point, didn't you eagle pilots learn your lesson yet? You signed that 16 year crap contract just to get flow through and the flow through turned out to be the worst part of the contract when AA displaced all your captains after 911. You guys are the poster airline of why flow through is BAD and you go out and do this...

jealous much? so i guess waiting on an upgrade to captain is a free hand out as well?

 

[CX880]

The AA number is just smoke and mirrors. I'd be worried about not having a job at eagle in the future. Eagle is the most expensive regional out there, AA doesn't make money with most of it.

 

[Nevets]

Incredible! Great job to APA American and ALPA Eagle to work this out.

Curious, what makes you say that APA had anything to do with this?

ASA is already working on something similar.

What exactly is ASA working on?

 

[Flyer1015]

Curious, what makes you say that APA had anything to do with this?

Nothing. I should have said APA or AMR management. I don't know who had their hand in it. But I do know that Delta's MEC was staunchly against any flowthroughs, and barely let XJ keep their 100 or so numbers. So if APA is anything like DALPA when it comes to views on flowthroughs...

 

[JoeMerchant]

APA had nothing to do with it...

 

[DGdaPilot]

Incredible! Great job to APA American and ALPA Eagle to work this out.

I would hope that Delta Connection carriers could be afforded an opportunity like this, but no way. Now I regret not going to Eagle in 2007. The double-breasted egotistical union leaders at Delta refuse any flowthrough agreements, barely giving XJ the 100 flows and Compass only until Summer 2010 hires.

The APA had nothing to do with this deal. It was done by Eagle ALPA, AA, and AE.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Last point, didn't you eagle pilots learn your lesson yet? You signed that 16 year crap contract just to get flow through and the flow through turned out to be the worst part of the contract when AA displaced all your captains after 911. You guys are the poster airline of why flow through is BAD and you go out and do this...

Shows how little you know.

This new deal has no flowback provision. If/when you flow, your employment at Eagle is terminated.

The original Letter 3 was mostly negotiated by APA and AA, even though Eagle and ALPA were also parties it. This new deal is lightyears beyond Letter 3/Supp. W. in terms of scope and language.

 

[glasspilot]

Shows how little I know? Which part you my post that you quoted is wrong? I think I was factually correct on every point.

 

[DGdaPilot]

You talked about 911 displacing captains, which was a direct result of the previous flow back provision of Letter 3/Supp. W. That provision no longer exists.

Also, the 16 year contract was not signed solely on a flow program. It was mainly to stop the whipsaw of the 4 Eagles, which it successfully stopped.

Stick to what you know, son.

 

[Nevets]

Nothing. I should have said APA or AMR management. I don't know who had their hand in it. But I do know that Delta's MEC was staunchly against any flowthroughs, and barely let XJ keep their 100 or so numbers. So if APA is anything like DALPA when it comes to views on flowthroughs...

The reason I ask is because it seems to me that these pilots will be new hire pilots just like any other pilot off the street (as opposed to true flowthroughs). I don't think APA has to be consulted by AMR to negotiate who they hire "off the street" if you will. It's just like XJT having an MOU with All ATPs to interview/hire their pilots.

 

[johnsonrod]

Doubt Comair would ever get flow-rights at Delta after the stunt their senior guys pulled (Lawson?) right after 9/11. They required Delta furloughees to resign their seniority numbers in order to get junior RJ slots. Obviously, nobody took them up on it (or very, very few). This happened even though Comair was a Delta Connection carrier - pretty pathetic when pilots were in serious need after 9/11.

Sorry, guilt by association. From what I hear, many of the remaining Delta pilots were clearly not happy and they have long-term memories... So, don't expect it at Delta if you are a Comair pilot.

 

[brokedash]

This now puts Eagle in business for themselves. They have the highest operating costs in the business.

This is bad news. This settlement of the grievance was a move to go forward. I wonder from an Eagle pilots point of view if there is any real value with the opportunity presented with the settlement.

This business can be just awful.

AA retaining ownership of Eagle's fleet, so as a seperate company they will have to bid to retain the flying. This means cost structure is going to have to come in line with other competing regionals. Eagle also will have the ability to bid for business from other majors current regional feed which could open them up to operating larger aircraft, that might offset some of the cost.

Also I read somewhere today that Eagle has two certificates and could use one to operate larger aircraft and retained AA flying on the other. Can anyone cofirm or clarify this?