All 135 pilots should read.

[BOZO]

Get Real!

Posts like this make me want to puke. It's this kind of attitude that is going to put Netjets under. I have met many great fractional pilots but the union whining and twisted logic such as this is going to backfire and give the entire company a bad rap. Calling me a scab because I happen to be a 135 pilot flying your supplemental lift is entirely out of line. Bring it on. I have no sympathy anymore. I look forward to the day somebody challenges me or my crew. Grow up, find another job (or industry,) and keep it off my wave!

 

[FracCapt]

I work for netjets and I love it!

You love it so much you're leaving?

This look familiar?

I am becoming CL30 captain as well as hawker 800xp captain in NY metro area!

How much should I be making!

Thanks

 

[Kingairrick]

You who open thread like this , should be dismissed from this kind of message boards forever!

You idiot why don't you first find out the meaning of the word scab and then if you think you have valid point, post it here. Nobody in this business needs guys like you.

I work for netjets and I love it!

I opened the thread ( I assume that was directed at me) because I didn't want anyone on the 135 board to be unaware of the ludicrous BS that SOME (hopefully a minority) at your companies UNION are trying to do to the 135 guys.

I don't like bullys. It would appear that I'm not alone.

 

[logjammer]

Screw this. NJ marketing blew around the country getting existing flight depts. to switch over to nutjets. Then these pilots swarm to a job that is supposedly better than the corporate that shut down, and hope for a 7/7 schedule so they can be on the road for 50% of thier lives. All for unbelievable wages. Now they want our help?

Now that you have the Marquis card and other crap like that, Netjets pilots are nothing but charter pilots. Charter pilots that work for a really crappy company.

 

[TimsKeeper]

LOL....they are underpaid so I have to lose my job over it? I am thankful that I have a job, work for a decent company and, although I complain about what I make, the salary isn't awful.

When they bury their own company they will be begging for a job with the same 135 companies they are currently complaining about........ desperate for a job. Will you be calling 135 pilots scabs when you are begging to be my snack beatch?

Dont' drag me into your kraphole......I've had to switch jobs a few times to better my career and make more money you can too.

 

[NewBlue]

Or to take this to its logical (to whoever came up with this idea) conclusion: If any of the QS customers take an airline flight during a NJ strike the airline crew that inadvertantly flies that trip will be placed on the IBT scab list...... How many volumes do you think that list is going to fill?

Or how about telling the NJ customers that they aren't allowed to fly with anyone else during a job action or their names will go on the (insert derogatory name here) list and the afore mentioned list will be a veritable no-fly list for future flights.

 

[DA50pilot]

I opened the thread ( I assume that was directed at me) because I didn't want anyone on the 135 board to be unaware of the ludicrous BS that SOME (hopefully a minority) at your companies UNION are trying to do to the 135 guys.

I don't like bullys. It would appear that I'm not alone.

Come on Kingairrick;

you are acting like some guy trying to deliver a car at the airport at 530 am is trying to start an argument with you.

 

[DA50pilot]

You who open thread like this , should be dismissed from this kind of message boards forever!

You idiot why don't you first find out the meaning of the word scab and then if you think you have valid point, post it here. Nobody in this business needs guys like you.

I work for netjets and I love it!

I am so glad kingairrick started this thread, and I am glad you wrote this response.

I feel it is totally wrong that you guys are trying to label someone just doing his/her required trips with that title.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Mass Hysteria is based on BS

We expect all flight departments to recognize our strike but the SCAB label is reserved for those select few that decide to fly a QS tail during a strike. It is also reserved for any NetJet pilot flying any NetJet trip under ANY tail number during a strike, regardless of WHEN he/she finds out it is a NetJets trip.
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I do not know who is started this but as far as I can tell it is just NOT TRUE. The above is the last word I ever got on the issue and I get allthe same emails everybody else gets... its about two weeks old. To me this means only NJ pilots flying vendor trips would qualify.

Now someone will probably pm me because I am not suppose to post stuff from ASAP emails... but somebody has to put a stop to this.

If I am not correct then its in something I never heard or saw except on this message board.
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[English]

I think netjetwife started it.

 

[El Chupacabra]

OK.

I am a Real NJ pilot... and a careful reader. I suspect someone has misread one of our communications. I recognize some of the screen names of others. If I am wrong I am standing by for someone to refute me.

 

[100-1/2]

Let me get this straight.

QS sales calls me and asks if I have an aircraft available to cover leg(s) for their customers while the Flt Dep is in a labor dispute and my pilots stepping on to greater things later in life will be black listed?

From What?!?

Seems I am doing you a favor. You ought to be glad I am out here charging your management an arm and a leg simply because I can, based upon what I know what QS customers are being charged. If I am out here cutting into their profit, they would be drawn to the table and closer to your demands.

You are welcome, BTW.
100-1/2

confuscious say: Man who rub wood too much, he uh get, uh splinter!

 

[El Chupacabra]

No I don't think you have it straght. Read my posts above.

But I also would say you are not doing us a favor by cutting into profits. They have lots of money... enough to outlast me... as long as they can cover the trips. "We've got more money than brains" was recently said. And a few years ago when asked about competition, "we've had dumb competitors in the past and they bleed. we've got more blood than they have."

 

[Kingairrick]

We expect all flight departments to recognize our strike but the SCAB label is reserved for those select few that decide to fly a QS tail during a strike. It is also reserved for any NetJet pilot flying any NetJet trip under ANY tail number during a strike, regardless of WHEN he/she finds out it is a NetJets trip.


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I do not know who is started this but as far as I can tell it is just NOT TRUE. The above is the last word I ever got on the issue and I get allthe same emails everybody else gets... its about two weeks old. To me this means only NJ pilots flying vendor trips would qualify.


Now someone will probably pm me because I am not suppose to post stuff from ASAP emails... but somebody has to put a stop to this.

If I am not correct then its in something I never heard or saw except on this message board.

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El Chup:
It started as a ridiculous rumor. Then got confirmed as the official local 1108 position by "Netjetwife" in her post #275 on the other thread. She confirms it again in post #351. Someone needs to muzzle that freak.
"bluepost" alson confirms it as an official 1108 position in his post #355.
"Starman" says a great many things, confirming it as factsveral times, then stating that ALPA will recognize the list in post #403.

I hope that you are correct, and that they are wrong.

 

[yosemite]

Struck Work

Gentlemen, and Ladies...

I am a NetJets pilot. I say this because I want you to know it from the beginning.

But before I became a pilot for NJA, I was a charter pilot and I flew a lot of Part 125 and 135 work. I've flown the 172 in charter, different Lear's, the Golden Eagle and the Hawkasarous. I've spent many a night moving checks and staring at midwestern thunderstorms from behind the panel of a faithful old 310. I've marveled at the old Sabre 60 and sat bored in a CJ and Beechjet. I know what it's like to hide from the phone call, to sit all day in an FBO, and to wish the beeper would go to hell. I've had months go by where I didn't get paid for a single day of work, and I've spent months on the road at a time flying rock and roll bands around in old converted airliners. I've been asked to fly illegally many times, and have been threatened with losing my job if I didn't go do the flight. So, I guess what I'm saying is that after 15 years of doing it, I'm not a stranger to your world.

I see the question asked a lot about why, considering the low pay, I don't just leave the job; or why, considering the low pay, did I take the job in the first place? The only reason I personally have is because (a) it WAS a job in avaition in the period shortly after 9/11, (b) it offered stability, as in a regular paycheck (not contract work), benefits, and a schedule. I knew the pay was low, but we were all promised it would increase greatly real soon and I figured I could put up with it for a while.

But that "while" is over. Just because the job pays poorly doesn't mean it should, nor does it mean a person shouldn't do what they can to make it pay better. In the non-unionized world we all know it meant negotiating with the manager/owner to try and get a pay raise. For us, it means a new contract. I suppose the easy thing to do is take everyone's suggestion and leave for another job... but I _like_ this one. And I want to make it better, not only for myself and my union brothers, but for the rest of the industry as well. As such, if asked to walk a picket line I will stand up and do my duty.

And so, let me get to the point. I am one of the union volunteers and I serve as a committee chairman. While I do not speak for our union leadership, I do have knowledge of what goes on and I want to address this "scab" issue.

There was a post by someone on the other forum about what might happen if the NetJets Pilot's Union does go on strike. What all of you need to understand is that it was just that, a post by an individual. For now, the "official" position has not been totally defined, but I can tell you this. The union leadership felt that someone flying a QS tail, or someone flying a NetJets trip from one of our sister companies that fall under the "single carrier" scope issue (NJI, EJM) would be considered as flying "struck work". But that was all... or at least we thought it was.

We have been undertaking the process of removing our membership from the truck drivers local it was in, and creating a local of pilots working for pilots. Creating a local is a large task for any group; doing it while in the midst of heated contract negotiations is even more daunting. And to add to our pleasure, we have been contacted by a significant enough number of the Flight Options pilots asking for our help in organizing that we cannot ignore their request. And with every step we take in this process, we are learning something new; names, policies, politics, and even the "struck work" issue.

We have received information and guidance from the national level which may be re-defining the issue of "struck work". Because the Shared Aircraft business has never seen a strike, the issue of what exactly is "struck work" is poorly defined; a problem that is being looked at by all of the different aviation union bodies as we speak. However, irrespective of what has been posted by others in this, and the fractional, forum all of you should understand that the major aviation unions have pledged to support our cause and decisions.

I think every one of us understands that regardless of whether the NetJets Pilot's Union wins or loses in this battle for a fair and just contract, the outcome will have a significant effect on the industry as a whole. We are all pilots and it is not our desire to see others harmed as a result of our actions. We are only asking that you try to understand some of the issues we face in this uphill battle, and at least not help to make the hill steeper for us.

It is my hope and desire to see everyone stop and take a deep breath before going on with this issue. Like I give to my fellow union brothers and sisters, the best advice I can give is to just wait and see what happens.

Respectfully submitted.

 

[TimsKeeper]

yosemite,

You wasted a lot of space saying nothing. If your position is, since you seemed vague enough to protect yourself from all angles, that only current nutjet employees that may strike could become scabs if they fly a trip or newbies in QS airplanes I can understand and support that as an outsider.

If you in anyway mean, hint, feel or desire someone like myself, a 135 pilot that does a lot of nutjet sell-offs should refuse to do a trip ( and subsequently lose my job) because you are being forced to fight for what you want you are not being fair and quite selfish.

Yes, I feel you deserve much more that you have. I hope you get it. If you don't you can always QUIT your job and probably make double elsewhere.

Sorry for this opinion, but I don't think I am alone.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Tims,

If you fly my trip you are flying struck work. However I quoted what the union sent to me about it... and what they said about scabs... and the select few.

I am not happy about struck work being flown... but read what I directly quoted from what the union sent me in writing.

Also people who are threatening other pilots are doing exactly what the union has asked them NOT TO DO. They should shut up now.

 

[TimsKeeper]

You can call it what ever you want, put me on your list now if you so choose.

You are doing this to yourself, I have nothing to do with your issues. If I wanted to get paid the starting wages NJ offers I would apply and picket with you. When I do a vendor trip for NetJets I am not supporting one side or another....I am doing my job. Also, the "few" in your group making the derogatory comments speak for you (ElChalup) as much as you are speaking for them, whether you thnk so or not. Denying that fact doesn't make it so.

If you were to go on strike, do you think the company would be able to coax enough individuals to fly QS tails? I know that is a very speculative question that might not be able to solicite an objective opinion. Regardless of your "scab" list ( it doesn't mean much to me), I wouldn't do it and wouldn't think most other pilots would either.

T-crest out! <---- that's gay!

 

[gern_blanston]

You are right on the money, Timskeeper.
Chup? Yosemite? You've gotta' remember that the company can be run however management wants. Have you ever run a business? The company owes you nothing... Not a job, not anything over minimum wage, not a retirement plan, not MLK Day off, nothing. It's their choice how to treat their employees, and it's your choice whether to work there, strike there, or run screaming into the street.
If you work for a good organization, they take good care of you. If you don't, you get the shaft. I can't figger out why people can't figger that out.
If going on strike gets you another $30,000 a year, I guess that's great, but in the current economic climate, a lot of folks with jobs have decided to hunker down and see what happens.
[Up on the soapbox for a rant]
But I am certainly not gonna' tell the company I do contract charter work for to stuff it if they call me to take a trip. My job description as father/husband clearly states that I need to take care of my family. That's what it's all about for me. I must do this, not some union, my 'pilot brothers', the companies I work for, or 'the state' (nod to my communist friends.) Getting fired from my part-time job by refusing to take trips this summer would get me called before the review board at the home office, if you know what I mean, because it would take a bite out of the budget at my very old-fashioned, nuclear, mom-stays-at-home-with-the-kids household.
I quit a couple of jobs to get where I'm at. I was searching and saw opportunity. In fact, I'm still searching. A smart pilot always is. It seems to me (and many other non-union, non-frax pilots) that some of the frax pilots that I bump into on the road might have better spent their excess energy over the last 2 years looking for a different job rather than b!tch!ng about the one that they currently hate.
[/Off of soapbox, end of rant]

 

[TimsKeeper]

Can a brotha get an A-men.