AirTran to announce new city

[General Lee]

Guys lets chill a little here. Redfag just wants to get a flame. It proves that not all Pilots are stand-up people and that he is the lower form of Pilots and thought in NWA, dont bite.

General,

Your simple fares affect only 6% of our routes. Most of that is used to attack you code-share partners and JBLU. But it has cost DAL million and put downward pressure on revenues.

If we did move the operation to CVG (I like it) I am sure gates would be found with little trouble, but the impact to your bottom line would be great. Just be glad we are in DAY and not CVG, unless you neeed a ride.

What gates? You obviously have never been to CVG (lucky you). Seriously, there aren't anymore open gates. Really.

Bye Bye--General Lee


PS---I am betting that Saginaw MI and Trenton NJ are your next two cities...

 

[atldc9]

I think RIC. And yes, we'll take the city's money for advertising.

 

[Mmmmmm Burritos]

What gates? You obviously have never been to CVG (lucky you). Seriously, there aren't anymore open gates. Really.

Bye Bye--General Lee


PS---I am betting that Saginaw MI and Trenton NJ are your next two cities...

I'm betting they're going to Hickory, NC and Tupelo, MS. That's why DL will be sending ASA there, to compete with them the Delta way!

 

[General Lee]

FLB717,

Your quote here is interesting:

"Your simple fares affect only 6% of our routes. Most of that is used to attack you code-share partners and JBLU. But it has cost DAL million and put downward pressure on revenues."


Only 6%? What? Simplifares affects walkup fares on every flight from ATL. That is what we are doing, going after the walk up people that don't want to pay $1500 each way for walk ups. You guys have poached a lot of our customers that couldn't afford the high walk up fares, and now we want them back. A lower percentage of our pax were paying those super high fares, and we will now make that up and more with medium fares ($499 or $599 for first) walk ups, which you have been advertising too.

As far as our code share partners, NW has very little LCC competition (besides Sun Country from MSP and Spirit from DTW---and they are quite a bit smaller than Airtran), and CO owns two out of it's three hub cities (CLE and EWR). I can understand that they are angry, but that doesn't address our problem. Song was created to deal with Jetblue, and so far it has been doing a good job regardless of what people say on this board. So, Simplifares was created to combat primarily you guys. We will see how it goes.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'm betting they're going to Hickory, NC and Tupelo, MS. That's why DL will be sending ASA there, to compete with them the Delta way!

Yeah, our CRJs do a great job competing against their 717s..... NOT. But, after thinking it over, I now think the new cities are Madison WI and Elko NV.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dizel8]

"Song was created to deal with Jetblue, and so far it has been doing a good job regardless of what people say on this board".

General, considering the losses DAL is posting, how can you say Song is doing a "good job"? All DAL is doing with Song is matching the fares and trying to prevent jetblue from growing, but at a loss rate that is not sustainable. Don't take my word for it, the DAL numbers are there for all to see.

 

[-9Capt]

General, considering the losses DAL is posting, how can you say Song is doing a "good job"? All DAL is doing with Song is matching the fares and trying to prevent jetblue from growing, but at a loss rate that is not sustainable. Don't take my word for it, the DAL numbers are there for all to see.

(In my best General Lee voice) "Yeah but Song flys to all 3 NYC airports..."

 

[Mr.B]

Spoken like a true idiot. How many have you guys put in the dirt over there? Yup. That's what I thought. And how many NWA pilots does it take to fly a plane . . . three and a fifth . . . . blah-blah-blah.

KMAMF

Your never-got-hired-by-the-big-boys attitude clearly rears its ugly head in this most moronic post. Spoken like a true critter.

 

[-9Capt]

Mr B.,
In all fairness to Ty, he didn't start this pissing contest.

 

[General Lee]

"Song was created to deal with Jetblue, and so far it has been doing a good job regardless of what people say on this board".

General, considering the losses DAL is posting, how can you say Song is doing a "good job"? All DAL is doing with Song is matching the fares and trying to prevent jetblue from growing, but at a loss rate that is not sustainable. Don't take my word for it, the DAL numbers are there for all to see.

You don't know how Song is doing, and neither do I. Grinstein said it was profitable in a public forum, and he could be held accountable for that. I bet Song is doing well, since we added seats and we use those planes more. The reason the rest of the airline is a mess is because we have taken a long time to change the rest of the operation. It has taken awhile to figure out that DFW was (and has been) losing way too much money. It has taken awhile to get our ATL operation more efficient. (operation clockwork) It has taken awhile to get labor concessions (always painful...for me too) We got that done, but it has taken a long time. And, in the mean time, Leo and his boys wished USAir would go away, and it did not. Now Leo and his boys are GONE. Leo did see the need for Song, but that was one of the only things he did constructively IMO. He saw that our 737-200s on Express were going to lose miserably to Jetblue. We needed something comparable, and Song did it. Song does well, it is just the rest of the airline is slowly coming around, and hopefully not too late----but better late than never......

 

[General Lee]

(In my best General Lee voice) "Yeah but Song flys to all 3 NYC airports..."

You can have one of them---EWR $ucks.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Dizel8]

"Song does well"

Okay General you win, Song is profitable, after all, they said so!

 

[General Lee]

"Song does well"

Okay General you win, Song is profitable, after all, they said so!

Yeah, I do win. Ya see, when someone in authority (like a CEO) says something in public (or quoted in an article), he/she can be held accountable. It is called "Sarbanes Oxley"---a bill that was passed in Congress. I know that is hard for you to grasp, but just try. You can't lie in public anymore. Grinstein had an article last March (?) that stated Song was profitable. It may be by $1, I don't know. If it were doing poorly, don't you think it would have been stopped by now? We are adding 12 more 757s to Song. Please think about it, and try to understand that these people running these companies, yours and mine, have the real picture and make huge decisions that can be reviewed by stockholders in court if necessary. If he were to add 12 more 757s to a money losing operation, he would be taken to the grill for that. He must like something in Song, because he could easily keep the 12 757s at mainline.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BSkin]

Your never-got-hired-by-the-big-boys attitude clearly rears its ugly head in this most moronic post. Spoken like a true critter.

shove your got-hired-by-the-big-boys-then-got-furloughed attitude up your a$$! who the f@&^ do you think you are? some almighty guy that got hired by a major in the eighties or nineties and got f-ed. i can guarantee you that the requirements to be hired at FL now, are more stringent than the majors were when you got hired. pull your head out of your a$$ and realize what the industry is, as it is. not saying i like it, but i like where i am, and you obviously don't.

 

[General Lee]

shove your got-hired-by-the-big-boys-then-got-furloughed attitude up your a$$! who the f@&^ do you think you are? some almighty guy that got hired by a major in the eighties or nineties and got f-ed. i can guarantee you that the requirements to be hired at FL now, are more stringent than the majors were when you got hired. pull your head out of your a$$ and realize what the industry is, as it is. not saying i like it, but i like where i am, and you obviously don't.

Wait, you had an 8 hour SAT style test, a tough physical, a psych exam with a doctor, and a spatial test holding objects while balancing? We had astronaut testing in '96---it was crazy. And, I passed! Then I did the 727FE course, which is ten times harder than any other commercial plane. Look where that got me....(I still enjoy the job)


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[BSkin]

Wait, you had an 8 hour SAT style test, a tough physical, a psych exam with a doctor, and a spatial test holding objects while balancing? We had astronaut testing in '96---it was crazy. And, I passed! Then I did the 727FE course, which is ten times harder than any other commercial plane. Look where that got me....(I still enjoy the job)


Bye Bye--General Lee

Trust me, I had heard of the process there at Delta, and was, at one point, hoping for a chance to go through it. Never had the opportunity, which is probably good, because I'd most likely be furloughed had I gotten in (99-00), or at any of the other majors at the time, maybe not CO and definately not LUV. My point being, to the tool above, was strictly from the flight experience side.

We all have to enjoy the job, otherwise we'd be going crazy or using the time spent on this forum for further education for another career!

 

[FLB717]

GL,

yeah, EWR sucks.

I worked out of CVG in terminal C for 3 years so yeah I've been there. Things may have changed a little, you DAL still use A much or is that for those little jets.