AirTran Pilots, Informational Picketing!!

[Murphy]

As far as why this TA went out, because you needed to see it and make your pilots point of view decision and make it heard in the direction YOU choose.

And 1500+ pilots were denied the right to vote on the TA that you got to vote on. Large foul ball.

 

[Lear70]

Hey, FLB, you have the nerve to show up here & tell Lear he is in the wrong after you personally voted YES on the TA & then tried to sell it to everyone?! And then you blame the pilot group for lack of determination?! Why don't you tell everybody here why YOU personally voted YES on this TA? Another idea: why don't you tell everybody what you got for selling everyone down the river? Better idea: why don't you resign & let a more capable & "determined" individual step in (please?) Your experience is barely enough to wipe Lear's shoes. You're nothing but a check airman hopeful (Mark these words). So far you have done nothing but brag about your so-called experience with absolutely NO action to back it up. Your experience got you 1% of votes when you ran against an incumbent. Then you ran unopposed & slipped through the crack & everyone is paying for it now. BTW, I'm one of the 1,500 & I didn't get a call either.

With all your experience, FLB, why did you endorse this TA?

Guys, let's not tear each other apart, especially guys who recognize things aren't acceptable on the T.A. and who we HOPE would vote NO or put it out with a NO vote to kill it if it comes back unacceptable again.

There's some things that a lot of the current guys there HAVE done, including setting up the basic structure of the NPA to function with a large group of pilots. That HAD to be done, including the work with the P2P program; the fact that it's not what it was is hardly the fault of the guy who no longer works it...?

The question of whether more hard-core leadership is required has already been answered. People currently in those NPA leadership positions need to carefully self-examine their thoughts and motivations and see if they can really serve the pilot group in the fight that's to come if this thing dies.

Believe me, it's going to get VERY ugly around here if this negotiating session is unsuccessful, and everyone better start preparing to step up. Not just the NPA leadership, but every single line pilot.

Thanks to everyone who has already shown their support. Time to head back into the ring...

 

[crosscut]

I wrote many comments, but most are not fit to respond in public, but I think the next time we crosscut in the hall feel free to ask me these questions in person, make sure you ask me the one about what I got! As far as why this TA went out, because you needed to see it and make your pilots point of view decision and make it heard in the direction YOU choose. And your election information is not so very spot on, check your facts.

Bull $hit! Although a very nice but a predictable response. Is that what your mommy told you to tell others? If you really wanted others to see it, you did not have to endorse it ya know. You vote neutral or you vote NO. Either way, the details would have become known. Instead you endorse it & then adamantly try to sell it at road shows. If my facts are not accurate, then why can't you use this thread to explain why YOU voted yes? "not fit for this forum?" Bull $hit! You found this forum adequate enough to criticize Lear…? How are you different? You've already shown us the last card up your sleeve. You want to talk to me on the phone? I'll call you. But let me set the tone for our conversation now: I don’t trust you. We’ll pick it up from here.

 

[crosscut]

Isn't a petition to recall the equivalent of a no-confidence vote? Why fight it then? Resign & recall the NC to save the little pilot group respect you might have. Untill then YOU ARE a management wanna be & if you didn't get anything for your Yea vote, then you're even dumber than I thought.

If my facts are not accurate, then correct me. Start with explaining your TA vote.

 

[newnan]

As far as why this TA went out, because you needed to see it and make your pilots point of view decision and make it heard in the direction YOU choose.

YOU are full of shiite!!!! If that were true, this would have gone to a vote immediately so we could make our points of view known and make it heard the direction we choose, instead, your floundering to cover your collective arses so this doesn't go down too hard. And where does that leave us? In a worse position than if this thing went down immediately. (If you didn't know how bad this was and how bad it would go down when you voted in favor of it, you don't deserve the position you were elected to. Unfortunately, those that voted for you are just now finding that out). Count me in on wanting to know what was offered to vote in favor. We've already got one member of the BOD that jumped ship to the 73 under very questionable circumstances to avoid 71 CA reserve so he wouldn't be hosed by his vote in favor. Was that you?

 

[-9Capt]

I'm not defending anyone here, but let me say this...

I was one of the volunteers making calls trying to sign pilots up for picketing. The overall response was embarrassing. Granted this was months before the TA was released, but that's still a poor excuse.

Until this pilot group decides to get off it's lazy ass, expect nothing to change.

 

[Murphy]

Signed up a few weeks ago and even got an email back from the committee chairman. It was the same day I sent the BoD and NC some inputs on the TA for July mediation session. I heard back from two of the Board members. Some dialogue does take place between the NPA leadership and joe line swine.

 

[SkiFishFly]

I'm not defending anyone here, but let me say this...

I was one of the volunteers making calls trying to sign pilots up for picketing. The overall response was embarrassing. Granted this was months before the TA was released, but that's still a poor excuse.

Until this pilot group decides to get off it's lazy ass, expect nothing to change.

I think some of us were scratching our heads - It sure seemed at that time that talk of informational picketing was jumping the gun a bit.
Now management has got one ticked off pilot group. I just hope they realize it and come to the table.

NO CONCESSIONS!

 

[SkiFishFly]

Signed up a few weeks ago and even got an email back from the committee chairman. It was the same day I sent the BoD and NC some inputs on the TA for July mediation session. I heard back from two of the Board members. Some dialogue does take place between the NPA leadership and joe line swine.

I sent some inputs to Allen and the NC via the email addresses contained in the NPA update emails. I did not even receive acknowledgement of receipt of my inputs - typical.
After giving Allen 2 weeks to respond, I sought out and signed a recall petition.

 

[j41driver]

I was one of the volunteers making calls trying to sign pilots up for picketing. The overall response was embarrassing. Granted this was months before the TA was released, but that's still a poor excuse.

Until this pilot group decides to get off it's lazy ass, expect nothing to change.

In what way was it embarrassing? Did you have guys telling you that they wouldn't picket or did you just not get in touch with a lot of them?

Someone left me a voicemail around the time the phone calls were supposedly going out but whoever it was only left his first name and a phone number to return the call. Don't know if that was you guys but I'd hope you'd leave a more informative voicemail if you expect a return call.

 

[Nindiri]

I may be wrong here, but if AP was recalled and removed, wouldn't this put MS in his place? Maybe you better recall MS first.

 

[crosscut]

Looks like FLB's gone hiding back under his rock, which is what he does best & where he is safe (& silent). Hopefully, he will stay there but, just as hopefully, he will resign (before getting recalled). Oh, and he can't say why he voted in favor cause that would involve revealing what he got for it.

 

[Lear70]

FLB didn't get ANYTHING for voting yes... Seriously... Do you *really* think the company would put themselves in that indefensible legal position?

The following is my OPINION since we did NOT discuss this EVER in any meeting(s).

My money would be that the NC didn't do a good job explaining the T.A. to the BoD when it came out and, likely, avoided explaining ALL the negatives which, combined with the "appearance" of looking like it met the Wilson Polling data plus the mediocre response/support of the pilot group for the info picketing (which really was rolled out poorly) and lack of pilots at BoD meetings, picnic, etc (making it look like they had no support), resulted in a "yes" vote.

As far as what happens if AP is recalled, read your bylaws. It's downloadable under the member section of the NPA website. EVERYONE who works here needs to understand how it works, as it's quite different in some specific areas than the ALPA bylaws.

 

[crosscut]

My money would be that the NC didn't do a good job explaining the T.A. to the BoD when it came out .

That's why the BOD should have immediately replaced the NC. Because they didn't, they have become as worthless and as irrelevant as the NC and, therefore, need to go. Instead we have this genius spouting off about his useless theoretical experience. Aggravating.

P.S. The company's Christmas fubar was also "indefensible," ya know. So, yes, I *really* do think... because the company also knows this useful idiot (+5 others) can be easily manipulated... however "indefensible" the company's next action might be.

P.P.S. Not knowing on what he was voting and/or taking someone's word for it is hardly an excuse. Let's see... "I voted in favor because the NC told me it was a good deal." Are you saying THIS should be defensible?

 

[DonVerita]

Shouldn't this be in the LCC's/Nationals board?

Ummm...AirTran is a MAJOR airline. That's why these posts are here in the Majors section.